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Yes, I favor strong gun control measures 1 0.31%
Yes, I favor some gun control( hi cap mag ban,some types of guns) 0 0%
I favor some laws, storage of guns, background checks 34 10.59%
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Fairies have been outlawed, they're just starting to receive rights, like marriage and taxes!

Oh wait, ferry, not fairy.

Yeah! Ban those ferries!
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Default Slate.com article on Executive Orders that could (or couldn't) be used

http://www.slate.com/blogs/weigel/20..._freedoms.html

Basically, many things relating to guns, ammo, etc., would require an act of Congress. But Slate does give a few items that *could* be done by Executive Order:

- Directing the DOJ to prosecute more "prohibited purchasers"
- Appointing a permanent ATF director
- Requiring federal agencies to report mental health records
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Smile Your thoughts on Firearm Laws, Bans, Rights...

My 7 thoughts or talking points right now. Feel free to post your own. Just don't Troll or
hi-jack this thread. Stay on topic as best as you can. Thanks.


1. Gun Free Zones don't work because Criminals don't follow the Laws.

2. Everyone in the world that follows common and moral laws has the right to
have the latest Technology to protect themselves.

3. People kill People and this has been going on for thousands of years.
Change the Culture not the tools we use.

4. Foreigners should not be telling a countries born citizens what Rights they
should and should not have. If you don't like the Law then live where they do have
Laws you agree with.

5. Just because someone owns a firearm and doesn't hunt with it now doesn't
mean they won't in the future or need to for any reason.

6. A Suppressor are not evil or silent like Hollywood has portrayed them. In fact
they reduce the volume of sound reducing hearing loss and Disturbing people
living near by. It is recommended to still wear hearing protection regardless.

7. Reducing Magazine capacity like in some states in the USA is useless just like
Gun Free Zones because criminals don't follows the Laws and or people just learn to
change the magazines quicker. The A.W.B. put into law by former President Bill Clinton
for 10 years proved useless.
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Some of those people could have been thrown overbord in to Shark infected waters. All Ferry boat captan and crew should have backround checks.If they had been useing paddles some thing like this would have never happened.
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It all comes down to one thing.
The right to keep and bare arms shall not be infringed
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1. Yes

2. Define common and moral laws

3. How do we change culture?

4. We need to do what we can to make changes ourselves if we feel the need as well

5. Yes but don't confuse our 2nd with hunting rights.

6. Yep pretty much.

7. Yes
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The Slate author appears to be thinking "inside the box". Obama will test the limits of powers on this, and I would expect a bolder move.
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1. Yes

2. Define common and moral laws

3. How do we change culture?

4. We need to do what we can to make changes ourselves if we feel the need as well

5. Yes but don't confuse our 2nd with hunting rights.

6. Yep pretty much.

7. Yes

#5 I don't but a lot of people do when they say or ask " Why do you need an AK74".
Well they may need it to hunt/survive. That is part of changing the Cultures thinking.

#2 About common and moral laws.
Murder, Rape, Slavery and other things of that nature
that people agree are wrong.
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This sums up my thoughts on gun bans:


specops56 is me.

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This is why I am distressed about the current situation: They want us to register our weapons, they are going to keep us from passing down our weapons to family when we die, they want to limit our mags, and they want to stomp on the CONSTITUTION! All by EXECUTIVE ORDER, so to bypass the congress. So, I'm not registering my weapon. If you remember France during WW2, the Germans got the list and went to each home and took their weapons and killed them. Secondly, it is no ones business what I have in my home, no one's. Next, I don't want my weapons melted down when I die, I want to pass them along. I have my Grandfather's that he was so proud to get in 1939. It is an heirloom just like anything else. Mag limit. Are you freaking kidding? I live in TEXAS! Where ILLEGALS jump the boarder every day! Run drugs, commit criems, etc. and believe me, they are in a pack, not just one or two straggling along. And if I need to defend myself against anyone or anything, I am pulling that trigger as many times as possible to save myself, my family, my property, and my animals. I have a farm, and there are coyotes (in packs), skunks, possums, run away mean dogs etc. We also hunt for food at our ranch. We never shoot anything that we don't eat. And it's ORGANIC!
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The Slate author appears to be thinking "inside the box". Obama will test the limits of powers on this, and I would expect a bolder move.
See, I think it's more of a bluff. Giving the idea that if they don't pass something, then Obama will, but he would be severely overstepping his authority if he went for gun or ammo bans, and that would lead to a SCOTUS challenge he doesn't want.
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I understand your frustration that is why I said basically We need to
change the Culture here. We need to go back to the basics but still keep
and expand our current Technology.
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By way of Parents needing to start being parents. People need to get off of their butts instead of wondering why they are depressed and filling their gut with several meds. And most of all, if you have a mentally ill person living in your home, lock up your dang weapons!
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"Shall not be infringed"


Clear enough?
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I wont give them up! I wont register them! I wont do a background check for ammo!

I tolerate the carry permit process because the NRA is involved in it and the training class is actually pretty decent and it supports local instructors. I stand against the exorbitant fees the states charge for it.

I am proud to live in East Tennessee in a place like few others....where I KNOW I will not stand alone.
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There are those who recognize that losing rights - even a little bit - is like being a little bit pregnant.
A government that fears its people so much that it wishes to disarm them - even partially, while doing nothing to prevent predators, armed or not, from preying on the people, shows you the true nature of the "honorable" statesmen and women.
Disarmament, even incremental, only benefits the predators.
As to "scary guns", they're not the problem. "Scary people" are.
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My 7 thoughts or talking points right now. Feel free to post your own. Just don't Troll or
hi-jack this thread. Stay on topic as best as you can. Thanks.


1. Gun Free Zones don't work because Criminals don't follow the Laws.

2. Everyone in the world that follows common and moral laws has the right to
have the latest Technology to protect themselves.

3. People kill People and this has been going on for thousands of years.
Change the Culture not the tools we use.

4. Foreigners should not be telling a countries born citizens what Rights they
should and should not have. If you don't like the Law then live where they do have
Laws you agree with.

5. Just because someone owns a firearm and doesn't hunt with it now doesn't
mean they won't in the future or need to for any reason.

6. Suppressor are not evil or silent like Hollywood has portrayed them. In fact
they reduce the volume of sound reducing hearing loss and Disturbing people
living near by. It is recommended to still wear hearing protection regardless.

7. Reducing Magazine capacity like in some states in the USA is useless just like
Gun Free Zones because criminals don't follows the Laws and or people just learn to
change the magazines quicker. The A.W.B. put into law by former President Bill Clinton
for 10 years proved useless.
1. Correct. They do however help the criminals.

2. Correct. But is simpler. The right to self defense (at least in many States) is a right whether it is with your fists, firearm, baseball bat...etc. A firearm is a type of "Arms". ie, ...the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

3. Correct. This is the root of the problem worldwide. The change in culture happened over generations. The old saying "you can't fix stupid" applies. The culture change alone is a very strong argument for gun rights advocates, in that we need them now, more than ever.

4. Correct. They have their own agendas, and "should" be irrelevant to Americans.

5. Irrelevant to the conversation and the 2nd Amendment. Hunting, sporting, self defense etc... is never mentioned in the Constitution.

6. Correct.

7. Correct. Mag capacity, features, semi-automatic, caliber etc... are all mute points. A killer will kill others how ever they can, whether they use guns, swords, cars, gas chambers, stones (middle east), poison gas, airplanes etc.......

Preventive Laws are evil, and punish innocents for crimes they have not committed. Why should I be punished for what others do? Firearms Law, regulations and Bans are implemented by Politicians (and Dictators) in inflict control measures on the population. Controlling any and every possible scenario is what groups of like minded people (most often Governments, Regimes) try to do. ie.. such things like property owners associations, Planning and Zoning boards, EPA, Dept. Education, etc are some examples of the slippery slope that can happen when groups state its for our protection etc...

The murderer does not respect laws or regulations or Bans. Period.

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I like this little blog, while it isn't calling for a revolution it does dictate, with evidence from past writings, under what circumstances are acceptable for a revolution. Also like how it clearly and plainly explains the purpose of the 2nd Amendment as well as the difference between a Constitutional Republic and a Democracy. Thanks for the link!
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