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View Poll Results: Do you support gun control
Yes, I favor strong gun control measures 1 0.31%
Yes, I favor some gun control( hi cap mag ban,some types of guns) 0 0%
I favor some laws, storage of guns, background checks 34 10.59%
No new gun control laws,...criminals don't follow laws 105 32.71%
No, gun laws are too restrictive right now. 181 56.39%
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Old 01-08-2013, 07:43 PM
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If they sign the small arms treaty it will give them much more room to bypass the 2A.

Yes, they will. This is much more dangerous than the unconstitutional laws that are being proposed. Much more.
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Default DC Letter Writing Time

They say that one letter is worth 100 email or 100 phone calls....
Is gun control what you want?

http://www.senate.gov/general/contac...nators_cfm.cfm

http://www.house.gov/representatives/
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Just wrote mine today, thanks for listing the links, I had thought to do that just didnt get it done.....

Senator/Congressman XXXX,


Please vote NO on any gun restrictions tendered during your term as our representive.

I am an Army Veteran, and went to college partially funded by my GI Bill. I am active in my community volunteering at township, and other levels and serve as a Charter Board of a non-profit in XXXXXX called XXXXXXXXX. I also actively support my local XXXX District. I have a young family, three boys X-X-XX and they are active in Cub Scouts (my wife and I are active as volunteers there as well). We live on a small farm outside XXXXXXX.

As a parent I can identify with the sadness and grief that the parents must feel from losing their loved ones at Sandy Hook. The questionable details around the occurances at Sandy Hook are troubling to me. Additionally no one is coming forward to "straighten the record". Evil people will continue to evil regardless of the details. Next time it could be a more primitive weapon but of equal lethality. To limit Freedoms by limiting law abiding citizens rights is WRONG.

I have been around firearms all my life. I have a cache of them here to protect my family should I never need to. They are not necessarily for hunting. I am smart enough to know that the government cannot be here to protect me when needed. We have seen this time and again, during Katrina, Sandy and other weather events, but also given our current economy, if things get really bad many citizens would use these firearms to protect their families from "opportunists". There are millions and millions of firearms in the hands of all sorts of citizens, they are not going away. Should the Congress make any more laws to severly restrict firearms on law abiding citizens, I fear what would become if the criminals had easier
"pickings". Additionally, there are fervent elements within our country who would resist the removal of the Right to Bear Arms. This concerns me also. The historic record of "Gun Registration" is a long an sad list of tyrants that started their evil ascent with these steps.

Please think of our Founding Fathers, there commitment to principle, please have a commitment to them, and their intent. Vote NO on any gun restrictions tendered during your term as our representive.


Thank You, XXXXXXXX XXXXXx
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I like your letter. It seems well-crafted without getting bogged down.
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This Executive Order stuff

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Default Gugs hurt people so out law them what about commuter ferry

Just read here 74 were hurt on a commuter ferry I think they should set the engine size to where some thing like this can not happen again . Why do they need that big a motor on the for just crossing a river no porpose what so ever.
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Dam assault ferrys.................
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How many more innocent people must be hurt before ferries are outlawed?
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Fairies have been outlawed, they're just starting to receive rights, like marriage and taxes!

Oh wait, ferry, not fairy.

Yeah! Ban those ferries!
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Default Slate.com article on Executive Orders that could (or couldn't) be used

http://www.slate.com/blogs/weigel/20..._freedoms.html

Basically, many things relating to guns, ammo, etc., would require an act of Congress. But Slate does give a few items that *could* be done by Executive Order:

- Directing the DOJ to prosecute more "prohibited purchasers"
- Appointing a permanent ATF director
- Requiring federal agencies to report mental health records
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Smile Your thoughts on Firearm Laws, Bans, Rights...

My 7 thoughts or talking points right now. Feel free to post your own. Just don't Troll or
hi-jack this thread. Stay on topic as best as you can. Thanks.


1. Gun Free Zones don't work because Criminals don't follow the Laws.

2. Everyone in the world that follows common and moral laws has the right to
have the latest Technology to protect themselves.

3. People kill People and this has been going on for thousands of years.
Change the Culture not the tools we use.

4. Foreigners should not be telling a countries born citizens what Rights they
should and should not have. If you don't like the Law then live where they do have
Laws you agree with.

5. Just because someone owns a firearm and doesn't hunt with it now doesn't
mean they won't in the future or need to for any reason.

6. A Suppressor are not evil or silent like Hollywood has portrayed them. In fact
they reduce the volume of sound reducing hearing loss and Disturbing people
living near by. It is recommended to still wear hearing protection regardless.

7. Reducing Magazine capacity like in some states in the USA is useless just like
Gun Free Zones because criminals don't follows the Laws and or people just learn to
change the magazines quicker. The A.W.B. put into law by former President Bill Clinton
for 10 years proved useless.
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Some of those people could have been thrown overbord in to Shark infected waters. All Ferry boat captan and crew should have backround checks.If they had been useing paddles some thing like this would have never happened.
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It all comes down to one thing.
The right to keep and bare arms shall not be infringed
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1. Yes

2. Define common and moral laws

3. How do we change culture?

4. We need to do what we can to make changes ourselves if we feel the need as well

5. Yes but don't confuse our 2nd with hunting rights.

6. Yep pretty much.

7. Yes
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The Slate author appears to be thinking "inside the box". Obama will test the limits of powers on this, and I would expect a bolder move.
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1. Yes

2. Define common and moral laws

3. How do we change culture?

4. We need to do what we can to make changes ourselves if we feel the need as well

5. Yes but don't confuse our 2nd with hunting rights.

6. Yep pretty much.

7. Yes

#5 I don't but a lot of people do when they say or ask " Why do you need an AK74".
Well they may need it to hunt/survive. That is part of changing the Cultures thinking.

#2 About common and moral laws.
Murder, Rape, Slavery and other things of that nature
that people agree are wrong.
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This sums up my thoughts on gun bans:


specops56 is me.

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This is why I am distressed about the current situation: They want us to register our weapons, they are going to keep us from passing down our weapons to family when we die, they want to limit our mags, and they want to stomp on the CONSTITUTION! All by EXECUTIVE ORDER, so to bypass the congress. So, I'm not registering my weapon. If you remember France during WW2, the Germans got the list and went to each home and took their weapons and killed them. Secondly, it is no ones business what I have in my home, no one's. Next, I don't want my weapons melted down when I die, I want to pass them along. I have my Grandfather's that he was so proud to get in 1939. It is an heirloom just like anything else. Mag limit. Are you freaking kidding? I live in TEXAS! Where ILLEGALS jump the boarder every day! Run drugs, commit criems, etc. and believe me, they are in a pack, not just one or two straggling along. And if I need to defend myself against anyone or anything, I am pulling that trigger as many times as possible to save myself, my family, my property, and my animals. I have a farm, and there are coyotes (in packs), skunks, possums, run away mean dogs etc. We also hunt for food at our ranch. We never shoot anything that we don't eat. And it's ORGANIC!
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The Slate author appears to be thinking "inside the box". Obama will test the limits of powers on this, and I would expect a bolder move.
See, I think it's more of a bluff. Giving the idea that if they don't pass something, then Obama will, but he would be severely overstepping his authority if he went for gun or ammo bans, and that would lead to a SCOTUS challenge he doesn't want.
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@ Marcie

I understand your frustration that is why I said basically We need to
change the Culture here. We need to go back to the basics but still keep
and expand our current Technology.
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