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Old 12-27-2012, 12:24 PM
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I found a lot of truth in what this soldier is saying !

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I found a lot of truth in what this soldier is saying !

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I agree! Much truth in what he has to say.
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Lots of people of all sorts would die WROL. IMO "preppers" stand a better chance of surviving until some sort of order is re-established than most other groups because their food crisis will be delayed compared to others.
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Maybe a dumb question but whats WROL?
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Maybe a dumb question but whats WROL?
Without rule of law.

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Beautiful thing, this Internet. Anybody can jump up on Youtube and post a video.

Back when we called ourselves "survivalists" we were a lot less politically correct and didn't have any compunctions against the Kurt Saxon, FM 5-25, and TM 31-210 stuff that most people are afraid to talk about these days because they don't want their door kicked in at 3AM and their kittens stomped to death.

Nor did we think the end-all-be-all to preparedness was an M4orgery with 20 pounds of fooferaw slapped on the picatinny rails.
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Ah, muscle memory. I was at the range a couple of days ago and their were several younger LEO's there. Shooting their AR-15's. one experienced a miss fire. Round went pop instead of bang. He set his rifle down and drew his pistol and continued to fire. when he was done he holstered his pistol and picked up the rifle dumped the magazine and cleared the weapon. He never checked down the barrel. He put a fresh magazine into the rifle, jacked a round and thats where I stopped him. I suggested that he might want to clear his rifle and then open it up and check to see if the dud round had cleared the barrel. The bullet was only half way down the barrel. He thanked me. Failure to fire / stoppage drills. Drilled into me in the 70's, if it goes pop, stop and check it out. :-)
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Muscle memory definately is important because many times survival will boil down to reflex not thought process, seconds vs. minutes.
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Muscle memory definately is important because many times survival will boil down to reflex not thought process, seconds vs. minutes.
In a panic situation the majority of people lose their fine motor skills and can't make their fingers work right. It becomes very difficult to clear a jammed gun, open a locked door, etc...

If you don't have a LOT of training to fall back on then that loss of "muscle memory" can kill you.
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Muscle memory definately is important because many times survival will boil down to reflex not thought process, seconds vs. minutes.
Many of us played sports at one time or another. We didn't learn how to bat, pitch, shoot baskets, pass, kick, jump, run...without years of practice to be good, if not great, at any of these.

We trust, we can survive without doing the same repitition and dedication we had in sports?

This is a wakeup call for me too.
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He's 100% right. PERIOD.
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I think the biggest thing about this video, when I first saw it and now, was a simple and personal thing for each watcher:

Can you admit he is right?

Can you accept it?

Can you accept you may well be one of the ones to die?

Can you accept it?
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I think the biggest thing about this video, when I first saw it and now, was a simple and personal thing for each watcher:

Can you admit he is right?

Can you accept it?

Can you accept you may well be one of the ones to die?

Can you accept it?
Admitting the possibility is one thing, accepting failure is completely different. If you accept failure, you fail, plain and simple.
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Beautiful thing, this Internet. Anybody can jump up on Youtube and post a video.

Back when we called ourselves "survivalists" we were a lot less politically correct and didn't have any compunctions against the Kurt Saxon, FM 5-25, and TM 31-210 stuff that most people are afraid to talk about these days because they don't want their door kicked in at 3AM and their kittens stomped to death.

Nor did we think the end-all-be-all to preparedness was an M4orgery with 20 pounds of fooferaw slapped on the picatinny rails.
And we had to WALK to school. EIGHT miles. In the SNOW. Uphill. BOTH WAYS! Now you damn kids GET THE HELL OFF MY LAWN!!

Just kidding, man. Right there with ya. But I do worry about my kittens being stomped (and my dog shot).
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Preppers, and everyone else, will eventually die anyway. We're all mortal and there is no escape.

My understanding was that the whole point of prepping was to postpone it for as long as possible.

Since surviving is my goal, I don't plan on going out and engaging anyone in combat. Exchanging gunfire in running firefight is not conducive to extending my lifespan. I'm not in the military, I can't call in air support, artillery support, I don't have snipers on my side and I'm not supported by crew served, belt fed, automatic weapons. I see my best bet for survival as removing myself from danger.

I'd opt for strict adherence to the gray man practice. Blend in, keep a low profile and don't make yourself noticeable. That way when looting riots break out or terrorists try to take over a shopping mall, you won't be the one that is shot to make an example out of.

The preferred tactics I'd use is situational awareness and common sense. I don't go to places where riots typically break out and I avoid large crowds that might be tempting to terrorists (football stadiums, concerts, shopping malls, etc).

If I should find myself in dangerous situation where the rule of law is not being observed, then my preferred methods are escape and evasion, camouflage and concealment, silent movement and a burning desire to get the heck away from the danger.

Others may disagree, but since my goal is surviving, I'm not planning on going out on any combat patrols into dangerous and hostile territory. If I have to move at all, I'll be quietly sneaking through the woods, off road and trying real hard to be invisible about it.
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so what was the purpose of this discourse? lot of people will die in a major shtf scenario, including preppers, noone is bulletproof...Also, I would venture to guess that 90% of the people realize that combat is not fun...
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His argument is that the Mall Ninjas and Rambos out there who are more tacticool than tactical will go in guns blazing, and then be surprised when they find out there is no respawn in real life.

There are people like this out there, and it's pretty scary:
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This guy is 100% right in what he is saying, people do not even realize what its like on a 2 way range. Even with all of my training I was not prepared for it. Good thing I was with more experienced soldiers cause I just stood there in a daze..... if my Sgt didnt snap me out of it I would have been toast.... so anyone who thinks that "hey I play Call of Duty I am ready" reality will set in.
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Being bored I listened to it. Reasonable start but his conclusions are strictly combat focused. So in the end he falls for the same mindset he warns against. The fact he recommends constant practice to be a super warrior and large stockpiles of ammunition suggests to me that he has not finished his thought process.

The talk about pistols vs rifles was a classic use of cliche. Not to mention his disdain of button pushers that had no idea about combat. Strange he says to not underestimate your opponent, that a untrained person with a inferior weapon can kill you from ambush, and yet he makes that same mistake during his speech. Based on his world view I would have to conclude that your only chance in a apocalypse was to kill before being killed. However there is a real old statement that provides a different approach.

"If you can't beat them, join them."
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Others may disagree, but since my goal is surviving, I'm not planning on going out on any combat patrols into dangerous and hostile territory. If I have to move at all, I'll be quietly sneaking through the woods, off road and trying real hard to be invisible about it.
I think the greater concern WROL would be defending yourself at home or while going about necessary tasks that may take you away from home. If things are so bad that there are heavily-armed "bad guys" running amok, and in such numbers that intervention by law enforcement or military is right out the window, it will be past the point of riots and looters at the grocery store. While I personally prefer a handgun for personal and home defense, that's assuming we're living in (as the video states) "civilized" conditions, where a would-be burglar or mugger is still fearful of getting caught. Once things have escalated to a level where there is nobody to call for help, those same burglars and muggers will be hoping for unprepared or unarmed victims, knowing that there's no cop just around the corner or a 911 call away.

Point being, going to gather firewood or trade with a neighbor could put you at risk as much as walking across a minefield. It will be when doing the most mundane, day-to-day tasks that people will be in the most danger . . . if things ever get as bad as the video portrays.
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