SHTF Poll - How Tough Are You?

[mongo]

Originally Posted by Dragunov

I'll bet you are! However, just remember that dying doesn't win the war..... Killing the enemy a$$hole across from you wins the war. It all depends on if you have the balls to "flip the switch" or not. Those who can't will probably die. Those that do, will probably survive.

Actually, a better tactic is to wound the enemy, each wounded soldier takes another to carry him off the battlefield.

[BJJ_Grappler]

Originally Posted by InsaneDOM

I don't know how I should be classified exactly, if either the 10 or 9 because I have never been in a real life combat situation (thank god!)

Though I have had some "experience" (if you can call mil-sim paintball/airsoft experience) with maneuvers such as "Fire and movement" or "Bounding Over watch" ect.. small team maneuvers

how I would react under fire is remains to bee seen. And I sincerely hope I never have to... (I have the utmost respect for combat veterans, I have no idea how they do it.)

I have been to Mexico and had to misfortune of having the Mexican army and the cartels go at it real close by, but wasn't exactly freaking out. (mainly because I knew they were NOT shooting at me so take it for what it is.)

I will help you out, you are in the 80.

[Dragunov]

Originally Posted by mongo

Actually, a better tactic is to wound the enemy, each wounded soldier takes another to carry him off the battlefield.

I disagree. A dead enemy doesn't heal up for you to have to confront again. A wounded enemy can STILL shoot you. A wounded enemy will heal, then come back after you again. Best tactic is to kill all of them, then let God sort 'em out. The only thing wounding does is add stress to the enemy. It doesn't stop them from shooting at you. A distraction only.

After killing the enemy, they will still try and retrieve the body at which point, you kill the ones doing the retrieving. The only time wounding an enemy is of benefit is if you're sniping.

[Bucksnort]

Originally Posted by Dragunov

You make great points, and absolutely correct in your assessment of "prey" and "opponent"! Just keep in mind, A fighter is someone who must be prodded, one who most of the time is forced into a confrontation, and will only fight if necessary.
A warrior lives to fight, trains to fight, wants to fight, and is far more devastating in battle. A warrior goes into battle singing so as to unnerve his enemy. A proven Viking tactic! A fighter is reactionary.... A warrior is proactive. We all may have no CHOICE but to be warriors before all this crap blows over.

I think that what you're saying is true, but it doesn't make 'warriors' bulletproof. I'm a veteran, I work in a max security prison cell block, and I've been there/done that, etc. I think I'd still rather sit back in my hidey hole and snipe my enemies.

[Bucksnort]

Originally Posted by mongo

When I walk through a crowd, everyone moves out of my way. (I don't notice this, but my wife tells me it happens).........That's me in my avatar, I don't think I look menacing, in fact I try to be a nice guy.

It's the headband. Definitely the headband.

[Bucksnort]

Originally Posted by Lono

The Mastermind::

http://www.keirsey.com/4temps/mastermind.asp

Read'em & weep - click on the 4 headers at the top of the link for all the info::

http://www.personalitydesk.com/intj

We did an exercise similar to this when I went to the academy, for my job. Out of a 240 person class, there were 5 of us that were 'masterminds'. Not surprisingly, there were a lot of 'protectors'.

[Prudence]

Not a badass in any way, shape or form! Put me behind the lines. I will cook for you, find food for you, make hot coffee for you, clean and dress your wounds, clean your gear, keep watch over you while you sleep, and reload your weapons for you if we're under siege.

I will keep a pistol handy in case of skulking zombies, but I know I don't have what it takes to go running into combat. However, I think I have what it takes to drag you back and patch you up.

God bless all you fighting men and women. May He keep you safe always.

[craigevil]

How tough are you?

My answer is from Monty Python:"King Arthur: Run away! "

[Lono]

Originally Posted by ActionJackson

. . . I'd say that I'm tough enough to die fighting. I'd rather die free than live enslaved in a concentration camp.

"The object of war is not to die for your country, but to make the other bastard die for his."
- General George S. Patton Jr.

Originally Posted by Dragunov

. . . just remember that dying doesn't win the war..... Killing the enemy a$$hole across from you wins the war. It all depends on if you have the balls to "flip the switch" or not. Those who can't will probably die. Those that do, will probably survive.

"Be the hunter, not the hunted: Never allow your unit to be caught with its guard down."
- Marine General James Mattis

I was visiting someone a while back and they had a neighbor 3 houses down the street with a bad rottweiler who would attack anyone in the area. I had heard about this dog. When I got out of my car and was walking up to the house I was visiting, I heard the sound of claws on the street "spinning out". Here was this dog sprinting up the middle of the street at me from 3 ranch houses away. Now, I'm a runner, and pretty damn fast . . . I turned and charged down the middle of the road in a dead out 100 yard sprint. We closed on each other very fast, I was looking at a dead rottweiler. At the last milli second the rottweiler broke off, and with his momentum flew right by me, did an about face, and ran home yelping with me in hot pursuit.

That was a very lucky dog.

[Steve28]

Originally Posted by Lono

"The object of war is not to die for your country, but to make the other bastard die for his."
- General George S. Patton Jr.





"Be the hunter, not the hunted: Never allow your unit to be caught with its guard down."
- Marine General James Mattis

I was visiting someone a while back and they had a neighbor 3 houses down the street with a bad rottweiler who would attack anyone in the area. I had heard about this dog. When I got out of my car and was walking up to the house I was visiting, I heard the sound of claws on the street "spinning out". Here was this dog sprinting up the middle of the street at me from 3 ranch houses away. Now, I'm a runner, and pretty damn fast . . . I turned and charged down the middle of the road in a dead out 100 yard sprint. We closed on each other very fast, I was looking at a dead rottweiler. At the last milli second the rottweiler broke off, and with his momentum flew right by me, did an about face, and ran home yelping with me in hot pursuit.

That was a very lucky dog.

Heh. I would have loved to have seen that. I got pinned by one of those buggers on the sidewalk walking home from work at 1am one night when I was about 20. Heard the rott running up behind me. I turned and held my kit bag in front of my privates, facing him and not moving , and not making eye contact while the dog let off his most threatening and ferocious barks. I just didn't react (so as not to provoke the beast) and after a few minutes he seemed to get confused because nothing was happening, the barks tapered off and he went on his way.

Fortunately I didn't have to change my undies afterwards, damn those jaws are huge.

[Joe-R]

Just a stoner who dodged the bullet & came home alive.
Joe-R

[mongo]

Originally Posted by Steve28

Heh. I would have loved to have seen that. I got pinned by one of those buggers on the sidewalk walking home from work at 1am one night when I was about 20. Heard the rott running up behind me. I turned and held my kit bag in front of my privates, facing him and not moving , and not making eye contact while the dog let off his most threatening and ferocious barks. I just didn't react (so as not to provoke the beast) and after a few minutes he seemed to get confused because nothing was happening, the barks tapered off and he went on his way.

Fortunately I didn't have to change my undies afterwards, damn those jaws are huge.

When I did TV service, one of the customers has a Dober-Dane that was big, ugly, and must have had cockleburrs up it's rear since it was a pup. We had to call ahead and make sure they had the dog locked in the garage.

One day, it wasn't.


Cleared a 6 foot privacy fence and was going straight for me. I already had the toolbox in my hand so I swung it as hard as I could and connected with the dog's jaw- right near the hinge. The dog dropped.


I got sued.


Judge threw the case out, telling the owners that I did not have to let any dog gnaw on my face.

[Steve28]

Originally Posted by mongo

When I did TV service, one of the customers has a Dober-Dane that was big, ugly, and must have had cockleburrs up it's rear since it was a pup. We had to call ahead and make sure they had the dog locked in the garage.

One day, it wasn't.


Cleared a 6 foot privacy fence and was going straight for me. I already had the toolbox in my hand so I swung it as hard as I could and connected with the dog's jaw- right near the hinge. The dog dropped.


I got sued.


Judge threw the case out, telling the owners that I did not have to let any dog gnaw on my face.

Nice to hear that now and again the courts make sense.

[Oldvernie]

I shouldn't be there.

[darkofnight]

Originally Posted by Dragunov

You make great points, and absolutely correct in your assessment of "prey" and "opponent"! Just keep in mind, A fighter is someone who must be prodded, one who most of the time is forced into a confrontation, and will only fight if necessary.
A warrior lives to fight, trains to fight, wants to fight, and is far more devastating in battle. A warrior goes into battle singing so as to unnerve his enemy. A proven Viking tactic! A fighter is reactionary.... A warrior is proactive. We all may have no CHOICE but to be warriors before all this crap blows over.

Drag, I used to not have to be prodded.. I actually enjoyed the fight; did that make me a bada$$? Not particularly, just good at it (which is kind of why I did it - personal challenge). Fighters are not necessarily forced into it is my point.

Positive the 'proven viking technique' is still in use as I have NOT been seen driving arount the fricking desert playing 'tank noises' and AC/DC from a giant speaker attatched to a humvee ~ I couldn't have been anywhere psyops was not supposed to be at a given time, EVER !! (by the way, if you can tell a viking's direction from the singing.. drop a couple of projectiles in their chests at long range).

As fr my training? Some was forced upon me (not unwillingly, admittedly) most of it was something I sought out. I know that I don't want to have to use it now, or tomorrow because well, that's just a really bad sign, ya know

Merry Christmas everyone.. happiness is a warm gun!

And Lono, yes, you got it in one.. INTJ ? My question for you is : Why would INTJ's be rare on a site dealing with being both responsible and self reliant and the various ways of doing that when SHTF?

[Lono]

Originally Posted by darkofnight

And Lono, yes, you got it in one.. INTJ ? My question for you is : Why would INTJ's be rare on a site dealing with being both responsible and self reliant and the various ways of doing that when SHTF?

I didn't mean rare on this site, but rare in the general population. I would expect them to be here, just not in such huge numbers relative to other types, being that INTJs are around 3% of the population.

Not to derail the thread, but I find it interesting that other types, in general, don't see the pending SHTF despite the overwhelming evidence.

Merry Christmas my brothers.

[mzoltan14]

Originally Posted by daveeds

Check out your history,
Even with out weapons you Hungarians put up a pretty decent fight with the Nazis. Besides one of the most dangerous people I know is a Hungarian Jew that studied Chemical Engineering at the University of Budapest. He designed things that propel projectiles.

I like to rather look at it this way:
Guy A is dumb and Guy A holds a bow louded towards Guy B and Guy B is smart. Therefore Guy B designes flintlock black powder rifle or something so Guy B can have a such a thing therefore Guy B can later hold a black powder rifle at the head of Guy C and Guy C is smart, therefore Guy C creates smokeless powder repeater weapon, therefor Guy D who is is realy Guy B just younger holds ...
So now what we have is assentialyl a Guy B dumb ownder manipulator of forcefull agression and a Guy A. But make no mistake, they have another aproache (!). develop something wich is good for other people and with a slight repurposing you can use it as a weapon (!).
btw i have nothing of weapon sort so im not dangerous and i dont have much influence so i cant change society to be better. :[ i dont want to work for them .. i want a better society not to be good for them.

[Steve28]

Originally Posted by mzoltan14

I like to rather look at it this way:
Guy A is dumb and Guy A holds a bow louded towards Guy B and Guy B is smart. Therefore Guy B designes flintlock black powder rifle or something so Guy B can have a such a thing therefore Guy B can later hold a black powder rifle at the head of Guy C and Guy C is smart, therefore Guy C creates smokeless powder repeater weapon, therefor Guy D who is is realy Guy B just younger holds ...
So now what we have is assentialyl a Guy B dumb ownder manipulator of forcefull agression and a Guy A. But make no mistake, they have another aproache (!). develop something wich is good for other people and with a slight repurposing you can use it as a weapon (!).
btw i have nothing of weapon sort so im not dangerous and i dont have much influence so i cant change society to be better. :[ i dont want to work for them .. i want a better society not to be good for them.

You alright, buddy? Should I call the paramedics?

[darkofnight]

He is SO not alRIGHT :D! He's imagining that every weapon is a result of a threat and then fails to deal with that threat but, rather, is aimed at a bystander. Nevermind that while his 'guy B' was designing the first firearm he turned into a HUMAN PINCUSHION.

Merry Christmas Mzoltan 14 and everyone else.. no matter how skewed your views are. (that's meant as REAL good wishes and humor in case it was lost in translation)

[Prepping]

I am harmless, happy, friendly and helpful...I'm not only a softie I'm a lazy one at that with a sense of mirth. and a distinct love of comforts and hatred for excitement. I'd be a frigging hobbit if such existed. I even have hairy feet.

So I'm not tough at all..this is why I prep.