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Old 12-12-2012, 09:34 AM
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Murder is unjustifiable homicide.

Homicide is permitted when it is justifiable.

Remember, thou shall not murder but there is a time to kill.
I agree! I do not think that fear and pain is a justifiable reason, though.

One never knows when or how God will move and work.
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Who are you to decide who suffers more? Kids can suffer a lot because of what adults do, but for some reason none of their feelings are ever valid to an adult, it's like we think kids are more like machines....

Anyway, I have no clue what God says, but suicide because of physical deterioration? Cowardly plain and simple. It's not done by people who had other hardship in life, it's those people who had it too dang good so when something strikes they think this is beyond them and they are entitled to a problem free life.

Suffering is part of life.
You must not have a clue what it is like to actually get to the end of the rope and knowing it. Brave isn't the word for it.
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I agree! I do not think that fear and pain is a justifiable reason, though.
Horrific suffering is a justifiable reason.
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People who haven't experience long term suffering have no clue.
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Horrific suffering is a justifiable reason.
Horrific . . . such as Job?
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Horrific . . . such as Job?
Except Job is a parable and really isn't about suffering.

The book of Job is about religion, and how one should not practice a religion by habit, but by thought and careful examination.
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I have enough other sin of which I am guilty, that I have no hope before God ... apart from the imputed righteousness of Christ through His blood. That I woke up this morning was a gift rooted firmly in His mercy alone, as I do not deserve the life I am presently living. I would not seek to destroy that gift, but if I lost faith, that would simply be one more failure on my part.

Conversations like this point to our desire to categorize sin as activities, and use the language of accounting. It is important to our self esteem to be able to catalog sin by activity so we can rationalize some out of "sin" and create a hierarchy for others. Scripture teaches that sin is a nature, the very essence of who we are, inherited from the first Adam, and it is for that which Christ died ... to change our nature. We will do things that reveal a lack of faith, but if our nature has been changed by God through Christ, then we will stand before Him counted righteous, not of ourselves, but of Christ.

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Except Job is a parable and really isn't about suffering.
That is conjecture. And even if you are correct, it is for our instruction, as are all parables.

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The book of Job is about religion, and how one should not practice a religion by habit, but by thought and careful examination.

Seems to me like he did suffer greatly, though. Did he not?
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I dont like getting into religious discussions on boards but I would love to see a passage of scripture that says that if you commit suicide then you will not be allowed to enter the pearly gates.
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Except Job is a parable and really isn't about suffering.

The book of Job is about religion, and how one should not practice a religion by habit, but by thought and careful examination.
Im thinkin Job would disagree.
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I dont like getting into religious discussions on boards but I would love to see a passage of scripture that says that if you commit suicide then you will not be allowed to enter the pearly gates.
You will not find the text you are seeking.

But that may not answer the deeper question.
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That is conjecture. And even if you are correct, it is for our instruction, as are all parables.

And you're missing the lesson being taught.
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there are too many senarios one could put themselves into that would accomplish death without committing suicide.
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You will not find the text you are seeking.

But that may not answer the deeper question.
I know I will not. I read the Bible regularly. Suicide weather justified in our minds or not is a sin as it is interfering with God's plan. He will not send any trial our way without giving us the strength to bare it and that is including death. Although I do not believe that God performs miracles the same today as he did in the old testament, think of Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego. If they would have not trusted God in that particular situation and taken their own lives then they would have met and untimely death
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I know I will not. I read the Bible regularly. Suicide weather justified in our minds or not is a sin as it is interfering with God's plan. He will not send any trial our way without giving us the strength to bare it and that is including death. Although I do not believe that God performs miracles the same today as he did in the old testament, think of Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego. If they would have not trusted God in that particular situation and taken their own lives then they would have met and untimely death
I believe you're correct; trust is the essential dilemma.
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There are things worse than death; I wouldn't rule suicide out in certain circumstances. I don't think suicide is God's desire for us by any means, but I believe strongly enough in his mercy that I don't think he would condemn us to hell for it.
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These discussions seem sort of flippant, as I've not seen rational people take their own life.

The people I know who committed suicide had something wrong with them for a very long time.

Think decades of radical mood swings & major depressive disorders no medication could completely control.

The last guy I knew who killed himself had been on lithium since his early teens, barely graduated from college, and had major work and family troubles before the end.

AFAIK, people don't just decide to up and off themselves.
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Okay, last slight twist:

You've seen "The Walking Dead," right? First episode, Rick is run down by zombies and gets put under a vehicle. As he runs out of ammo and the walkers almost chew him apart, he has one bullet left and nearly kills himself. That would've been wrong?
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These always make the same thought pop into my head: "what's the point of living life, your not going to get out alive anyway"
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If it is time for you. Do it.

Now in talking about bone grinding against meat. I'm talking about imminent horrific death.

I'm not talking about quitting life.

If it is IT. Use your judgement. It is yours and up to YOU.
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