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Old 11-16-2012, 07:39 AM
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If we could have focused on:
1) Cutting Gov't spending. I work at an oil company. If we have a spill on the water, there are no less than SIX phone calls I have to make immediately while at the same time trying to halt the flow and contain the spill. Two of those agencies share the same phone number. Axe at least two agencies.
We have FIVE agencies that we are beholden to in regards to what happens to the rainwater that lands on our property and must be managed before it leaves. Axe at least three of those.
2) Pulling out of the Middle East wars. Get our troops home.
3) Balance the <expletive redacted> budget! We will need to cut spending (I propose that every department, no matter how critical, receive a cut, from 1% to "share the pain" to getting axed, and other agencies get anything in between). Also, take a hatchet to the tax code. Instead of raising rates, take a good look at cutting a bunch of the excemptions that allow the wealthy to play shell games.
4) Deflate the air out of the Democrat's sails on social issues. We will not force our daughters to raise a rapist's baby. What the gays want to do in their own houses? Nasty, but not our problem. Go Libertarian on that stuff. It frankly doesn't matter.
5) Force the conversation back to the economy. If your company shuts down and you lose your house, nothing else matters.

As it stands, we'll continue to have Republicans fail their election bids to guys who say "Once we get out of the war in the Middle East, we can use that (overspending) to fund (over)spending on these other things..." while we head over the fiscal cliff.
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Brutally honest appraisal? Both parties are in a race to the bottom. At this point the people that are elected would fit in the political system in South Africa. Fraudsters, liars and outright thieves. You could throw a stone in the local dog pound with your eyes closed and probably hit a better candidate.

As I see it, the one hope the USA has, is to can the whole thing and start over.
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Perhaps "free stuff" was too strong a term (You will notice that I did quote it). What I mean by "wanting free stuff" is, they feed that big government should take care of them, and it is more important than fiscal responsibility.
As BHU say, get out of the echo chamber. Stop getting your 'news' (opinions, talking points) from things like Fox news. The majority of the talking head on that channel are neocons and RINO's. The same two groups leading the party to destruction.

Instead of talking about unneeded wars, act like conservatives and cut the military as well as make corrections (cuts) to many of the social programs. Not just the latter while expanding the former.

Stop trying to divide the country and try to unite the country. 3/4 of the people eligible to vote didn't vote for Obama. Find out why and support what they want from government.

But most of all stop saying one thing to get elected then doing the exact opposite. Stop nominating the farthest most leftist candidate in an attempt to 'steal' votes from the Democrats. There's 80 million folks out there that didn't see any difference between the two candidates and didn't vote.

Stop acting like the socialist in the other party and act like conservatives.
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Time for the Tea part to be a real Party, republicans like to lose to well. They threw this

election thinking they would take over the Senate with Romney running.


Even by their low standards they failed.
Old 11-16-2012, 08:47 AM
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Time for the Tea part to be a real Party, republicans like to lose to well. They threw this

election thinking they would take over the Senate with Romney running.


Even by their low standards they failed.


Agreed man.

I would LOVE to see the "tea party" back, as it ORIGINALLY started. (second time this century) It however, needs to get/be against BOTH sides.

It was fine until it was hijacked by the far right who simply used them to try and get back in power, and the "speakers" at events, were some of the same idiots advocating the same policies that got us here. Eventually became financed across America from former House Majority Leader **** Armey, who also worked closely with Newt on the BS "Contract for America"


The tea party also brought in the nutbags with the "Kenyan" posters, and eeeeverything became about the "dems" and "Obama". That's when I and so many others lost faith that the tea party had ANY resolve to see that the problems were caused by the US GOVT as a WHOLE and not just one side.




So yeah.....bring em' back into the conversation in America, but this time more of us need to keep an eye on who finances them and who "speaks" for them.
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I really don't think it will matter. With the O-Bomb's record, a dead dog should have been able to beat him. The majority of the country just wants "free stuff".
That's fine, you and your fellow RINOs just keep on saying stuff like that. That will ensure the GOP doesn't regain the Presidency, and soon loses control of the House as well. Then you can fade into well deserved obscurity, and free up room for a more intelligently run, responsible group to take its place...

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Well, every time they run a moderate they lose, what can we learn from this?
But they don't run moderates. They run panderers who are willing to mouth the most extremist right wing drivel to get nominated, then repudiate everything they just said and try to pass themselves off as moderates to win the majority vote. Those are NOT the type of people who get elected. Huntsman. Huntsman was a moderate AND someone with solid positions, he could have tied Obama in knots, won the election, AND carried the Republicans to control of the Senate. But BECAUSE he was a moderate, the wackos currently running the GOP wouldn't look at him. That's what has to change, or the GOP will just keep going downhill. And deservedly so: Stupid SHOULD hurt.
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They run panderers who are willing to mouth the most extremist right wing drivel to get nominated,.
Link or it dint happen, for the life of me just because you think the middle is right wing doesnt make it so.

Romney pandered to the middle, went on the view, never on Dr Savages or other conservatives shows, now its all conservatism and Rush's fault, get a life.

A Reagan would have won the last one, end of story.
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That's fine, you and your fellow RINOs just keep on saying stuff like that. That will ensure the GOP doesn't regain the Presidency, and soon loses control of the House as well. Then you can fade into well deserved obscurity, and free up room for a more intelligently run, responsible group to take its place...
Whoa guys, don't think that I am a die hard republican, I am a libertarian. The only real solution to the problems this country faces is a small government, limited taxes; but as long as the 2 parties are so firmly entrenched, we have little option but to go with the lesser of 2 evils.
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I don't know what caused this defeat for the Republican Party but I hope it is the start of the death of the party as we know it. After being unable to defeat a muslim with his track record and admitted socialist and communist views and if we can't come up with a true American Patroit committed to the USA Constitution we all deserve destruction.

JMHO
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It's simple - quit running moderates against liberals. They lose the support of conservatives and the liberals won't vote for them regardless. When you ignore your base because they must vote for you by default, you're sunk.
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I really don't think it will matter. With the O-Bomb's record, a dead dog should have been able to beat him. The majority of the country just wants "free stuff".

A dead dog is more interesting than Romney.
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the Republican party as we now know it is dead...

it will morph in to two serarate parties:

the Purple Party with all the squishy estab GOP hold overs, and

all the Conservative-Constitutionalist-Christian GOPers will split off and form a new party...
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This last election points out a number of problems involving the Republican party.

1. They weren't ready to do battle with the corrupt elements that form the Democrat party. This last election, the Democrats had done their homework and identified the most important states needed to win the election. Long before the election, I have no doubts, that Chicago and probably other larger Democrat party support zones, moved people from their home areas to places like Ohio and Florida. These people were moved and probably in place right after the last election. Have the Republicans even thought about doing something similar and doing it now? Probably not.

2. The Republicans ran a leading candidate who was about as interesting as watching paint dry. Romney was not a candidate that the normal or middle class person could identify or relate. Romney was a rich Mormon who had made his money in a technical way that was hard for most average people to understand how he did it. I kept hearing how Romney bankrupted companies, closed them down and ran off with the capital of the company. None of that made any sense at all. Imagine going out in a fog to look for something that you know or heard rumor of is out there. Romney never clearly emerged from that fog. When he did show himself, he came off as another Obama, a socialist running for election. To this day, I am not sure where Romney stood on critical issues. Which brings me to...

3. This last race the Republican candidates let the Democrats have a pass on important issues involving taxes, crime, illegal aliens and so on. The Republicans should have been smacking the Democrats on all sorts of issues of theirs that have failed. Obamacare should have been waved around while in background would be flashes of Nancy Pelosi saying, "We have to pass it before you can see what's in it." Next election, hit the Democrats over and over on all their stupidity that has been advanced, proven ineffective or useless like those failed programs. Make those failures into clubs that strike home on that candidate that supports those failed programs and policies.

4. One last thing... In 2016 the Republicans should be planning right now to face the Chicago Democrat Political Machine and Hitlery Clinton. In 2016, unless the Republicans are ready for a very nasty knife fight in a telephone booth, then they shouldn't even show up at all. There were dozens and dozens of political precincts in Ohio and other Democrat controlled cities, states and so on where Romney did not get even 1 lowly vote. Think about that for a minute. Mathematically for Romney to have not gotten any vote in that precinct should be impossible. Something, maybe corruption, is wrong in that precinct but nobody sees that in the Republican party. Wake up!!! When you have a precinct that is Republican red most of the night and then "suddenly turns Democrat blue" late that same night, don't tell me that such an event is a "Democrat miracle." That is a very blatant sign of corruption. Chicago has that crap happen all the time and it sure isn't a miracle at all. What that means is that the old Daley machine has dumped a bunch of illegal ballots into the system with more registered dead people voting. Wise up here, Republicans. Wise up.

5. You need to run a good conservative candidate who has hunger in his belly and spews fire when he speaks. Forget about running a liberal or moderate candidate because those candidates won't excite your voting populace. Your candidate should be a quick thinker who doesn't need a prompter to read off of and repeat things like a parrot. Your candidate needs to show his intelligence without flaunting it. He should speak well and be completely defined without coming out of a fog bank.
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The Liberal Democratic Utopia has finally arrived!

Finally they have record number of people sucking at the government tit and they made darn sure they all vote...the right way of course!

-Got rid of that pesky work requirement for welfare
-Record number on food stamps
-Moving people from work to dependency
-Convinced millions that trickle-down government actually works (Trillions of new debt)

Obama has never acknowledges that his economic philosophy enthusiastically enacted by a Democrat-dominated Congress bozo's in 2009, not only has failed but also makes no sense and trillions in new massive debts means nothing!
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OhioMan....topic.....called......Republican calls for 'brutally honest' review after Romney loss















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OhioMan....topic.....called......Republican calls for 'brutally honest' review after Romney loss

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Yeah...I gave my brutally honest review!

The left-wing Liberal democrats have bought an election through record government freebies through
their dependent class of lazy, non-working, capitalism hating folks!

What's the problem
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Agreed man.

I would LOVE to see the "tea party" back, as it ORIGINALLY started. (second time this century) It however, needs to get/be against BOTH sides.
That's funny...you and I had a knock-out-drag-out fight over the tea-party which I am a member of from day #1

You hated them from day #1.......can you explain that
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Of course the conclusion they will reach if you can't beat them join them, That would make them look like unprincipled opportunist but hey why not try honesty?
Which is exactly what the Democrats want. They want Conservative republicans to be like them....just agree with Obama on:

-Strong Unions for public employees raping the taxpayers and voting the right way of course
-*A* just shut up and vote your values mean nothing
-Agree with Obama on welfare
-Don't mention the debt (Hey we blamee Bush and it works for us )
-Same sex marriage...just shut UP and vote
-Huge bail-outs and handouts for the "Polically connected" GM and solar companies

Not me, I won't give in
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What's the problem
The problem is social programs aren't the domain of just the Democrats.

The last huge expansion of them was the unfunded Medicare Prescription Drug, Improvement, and Modernization Act of 2003. Notice the House, Senate and White House all controlled by Republicans.
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/108-2003/h332

It's noted this is the largest expansion in the history of Medicare. And one of the leading causes in our increasing debt.
http://www.conservativedailynews.com...oice-for-veep/
http://www.heritage.org/research/rep...responsibility
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Yeah...I gave my brutally honest review!

The left-wing Liberal democrats have bought an election through record government freebies through
their dependent class of lazy, non-working, capitalism hating folks!

What's the problem
So you're suggesting the GOP doesn't pander?
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