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Old 11-11-2012, 09:09 AM
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A few years ago Wold had problems with some of their stuff. Things like separated and split pistol ammo and all around dirty powders. I'm looking to put away 1000 rds 308 as last ditch ammo stores on the cheap. Have they fixed these problems? Anyone have similar current day problems?
Old 11-11-2012, 09:20 AM
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Wolf is crap. I won't put that crap away as last ditch ammo if I were you. If it's last ditch ammo, your life will likely depend on it.

Get something with a better track record.
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I would compare how much more a quality .308 ammo would cost you
You may find it is worth more to get more
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I've only had experience with Wolf 7.62 X 39 and 9 X 18 and it does burn dirty, but never saw any kind of splits or otherwise. If your weapon is finicky about powder fouling you should buy cleaner burning ammo. If you're using kommie weapon platforms (AK, SKS, Makarov, etc.) you will do just fine with Wolf. It perfoms very well in those types of weapons and you'll save a ton of $.

Good luck.
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It is ok ammo in my experience. I've used thousands of rounds without any huge problems other than it accuracy is not great, steel cases can't be reloaded & as mentioned above, it burns dirtier than usual.
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As others have said it is dirtier than brass, but all steel is. I have not used wolf .308 but have in several other calibers. I would be confident in stocking it, but be sure to run a few boxs thru your gun to ensure in will feed ok. You are better off with a lot of lower quality ammo than a small amount of high grade stuff. Shot placement is what is important no matter what brand you are using.
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Monarch Brass cased---yes.
Monarch Steel cased------HELL no!
I've got the split necked cases to prove it out of a .308 bolt gun.
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If you are looking for an inexpensive .308 to stockpile, go with Silver Bear. Shoots reasonably clean and is about as accurate as you can ask for at 41 cents a round.
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I have no experience with wolf 308 but ive shot thousands of rounds of wolf 223. I have never had any type of problem. Like others said its a little dirtier but I've shot 500-600 rounds in a day with no cleaning in several of my rifles without problems.
Old 11-11-2012, 11:18 AM
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Monarch Brass cased---yes.
Monarch Steel cased------HELL no!
I've got the split necked cases to prove it out of a .308 bolt gun.
Monarch brass cased ammo made by Privi mostly.
Monarch steel cased ammo mostly made by Barnual.

For those not in the SE US Monarch is the store brand for Academy Sports stores.
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While not a fan of Wolf, I would take Privi in a heart beat. I would take Wolf over some of the surplus mil ammo that has been on the market in the past.
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Wolf is a good training ammo. I've shot lots of Wolf, and Tula with little problems in hand guns. It is dirty and a good gun scrubbing in in order after using it. In my opinion, I'd spend the extra money on quality ammo if your storing it for emergency purposes.
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It is ok ammo in my experience. I've used thousands of rounds without any huge problems other than it accuracy is not great, steel cases can't be reloaded & as mentioned above, it burns dirtier than usual.
Thousands of rounds! In what gun? I fired 4 308 rounds of it and had to clean chamber with gum-out... coating comes off casings and sticks action....
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Monarch Brass cased---yes.
Monarch Steel cased------HELL no!
I've got the split necked cases to prove it out of a .308 bolt gun.
I agree its crap and the coating will stick the chamber up so you can hardly eject a round
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ive shot a lot of tula (~300 a week) thru my ruger sr9 with only 1 fte. Yea, it was a little dirty, ok.... alot dirty, but that guns easy to clean.
Never had a fte or ftf with my 1911 knock off.
Im sure this wont be a popular answer, but it works good.
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I have no experience with wolf 308 but ive shot thousands of rounds of wolf 223. I have never had any type of problem. Like others said its a little dirtier but I've shot 500-600 rounds in a day with no cleaning in several of my rifles without problems.
I am sorry but i must also doubt this claim...if you were talking about 7.62x39 out of a yugo ak then i would accept it...maybe even .223 out of a romanian sar2...but the cases are lacquered and will gum up domestic 223s (mini 14s and ARs)...they will run decently enough as long as they are kept hot, but as soon as the lacquer, that has melted off of the cases and into & around your chamber, is allowed to cool it will lock up your weapon. I have seen this multiple times on different AR and mini 14 type weapons.

Wolf is a NO-GO at the domestic weapons station.

What weapons have you used wold .223 in?
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IMO, shooting steel case, lacquer coated ammunition in a firearm that was developed to fire brass case ammo is a bad idea.

My Russkie rifles and carbines all get steel core and surplus ammo, all my "American" firearms get brass cased ammo. I don't have FTF's or FTE's this way, as I only use the cartridges the firearms were intended to shoot.

Perhaps the OP should look into Privi brass case, boxer primed ammunition, and maybe invest in a LeeLoader kit for .308, as the cases can be reloaded usually three times safely, that means, with a stockpile of powder, primers and boolits, 250 rounds = 1,000 rounds?
Old 11-11-2012, 12:38 PM
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Wolf no longer sells lacquer coated ammo:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolf_Am...acquer_coating

That being said, some rifles have problems with steel cased ammo and some don't. My Saiga 7.62 has probably run through 2,500rds in it's lifetime with Wolf and has NEVER malfunctioned.
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steel can be reloaded, not the easiest, but it can be done
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steel can be reloaded, not the easiest, but it can be done
This is true but why?? Why spend a small fortune setting up a reloading system just to beat it out of spec with steal cases? or are you referring to the small pocket reloading kit?
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