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Old 11-23-2008, 01:18 PM
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Hah, you may have alot of them but galils are crap, so are uzis. Oh but it has reliability, reliabilitee wa waa waaa. The important thing about a gun is the end effect on the enemy, the galils AK action means it wont hit anything above 200m reliably, and those are .223, they don't even have the stopping power of the 7.62x39. The Ar15 gets away with it because it can put the bullets downrange accurately, so follow up shots are more likely.

If i were you, I’d sell the galils and by yourself something made in the 21st century.
Don't hate!!

I know it sucks to live in a country that doesn't even trust it own citizens to own firearms

I won't waste my time informing you of the accuracy of these weapons as your clear lack of knowledge of small arms is evident in your ranting!!!

If you and your Empire ever need your butt's saved,just give us armed American's a call!!If is wasn't for us,you would be speaking German right now!!!!!!!
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Old 11-23-2008, 01:19 PM
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Isreali made Uzi's are some of the best short range firearms ever made, behind only possibly the germaon MP-5. And about the Galil's, they are great reliable accurate firearms, who cares if you can't hit a toothpick from half a mile away...

If your collection is so hot, why don't you show it instead of trashing others for their preferences.
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I won't waste my time informing you of the accuracy of these weapons as your clear lack of knowledge of small arms is evident in your ranting!!!

If you and your Empire ever need your butt's saved,just give us armed American's a call!!If is wasn't for us,you would be speaking German right now!!!!!!!
In Britian we say you are; all talk and no trousers. Guess what that means.

Galils aren’t accurate, and there no damn use when everyone ells engages at ranges in excess of 500m. That is why Israel doesn’t even use them, before you go making a mistake, Israel uses M4s and Tavors, and not much ells. Why you ask? Because 600rpm at 200m doesn’t bare comparison to 800rpm at 500m, 900rpm at 200m if you mean the MP5. I'm not saying they'll hit your toothpick, they just have a much wider range of uses, without a sacrifice of reliability as some would say.
Now even Israel has a better weapon than the M4!

Let me educate you; the AK's weakness is not its bullet which only has a usefull range of 300m, it has an off centre bolt due to its gas design. As illogical as you might think, all modern AK, and most direct variants made in the 60's still have this problem. It causes a problem with the harmonics of the gun; which cause the barrel to vibrate violently. Most modern guns such as the G36, Sig552, even the HK MP5 have their routs in the AK, (which has its routs in the MP44)but they don't have the bolt problem. And finally; the Ak isnt working for the rebels in the Middle east, in fact there are no modern examples of an AK beating an M4 in battle that i have ever heard.

So what? Yea! I am Chairborn 001st!
I can't collect any firearms, look top right, it says UK, we lost our right to keep and bare arms when we ran out of enemies (not like now). This is why i know...too much about their statistics and engineering, coz i can't get one.

BTW; I like the Tavor, but it needs a bigger bullet, go STG556 in 6.8 rem.

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Um, average combat firing distance for small arms is under 300m. Also its kinda funny that the M16 and and Galil have the SAME EFFECTIVE RANGE along with the same twist rate in the rifling that produces next to identical results in accuracy when compared to the M16.

I would have no problems what so ever being armed with a Galil, it's somewhat light, it's accurate and has the same knock down and accuracy as a M16.

Oh yea, is the design of the Galil was so poor and innacurate, why did the Israelis make a 7.62mm sniper version out of it?

http://world.guns.ru/sniper/sn32-e.htm

Now when it comes to guns.....

Or just keep putting your foot in your mouth, the choice is yours.

And the Tavor, doesn't need a bigger bullet, IT NEEDS A LONGER BARREL so it can actually utilize the knock down capacity of the 5.56mm...
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Old 11-23-2008, 02:11 PM
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Um, average combat firing distance for small arms is under 300m. Also its kinda funny that the M16 and and Galil have the SAME EFFECTIVE RANGE along with the same twist rate in the rifling that produces next to identical results in accuracy when compared to the M16.

I would have no problems what so ever being armed with a Galil, it's somewhat light, it's accurate and has the same knock down and accuracy as a M16.

Oh yea, is the design of the Galil was so poor and innacurate, why did the Israelis make a 7.62mm sniper version out of it?

Because reliability is important to snipers and the 7.62x51 has accuracy. They made an AK sniper too its called the Dragnov, but guess what? It has no superior firing mechanism than the regular rifle.

Um, average combat firing distance for small arms IS under 300m. Only the M16 can go up to 800m with proper ammo and a scope. They made a sniper version of a Tavor with a...22 inch barrel i think.... wait a minute, do they just stick a longer barrel and a scope on a rifle and call it (bad English) accurized? You didnt notice? They don’t improve the action, maybe the trigger, but that’s it. That’s exactly what’s been going on.

You've lost; The UK uses the L85A2 5.56 rifle with an 18 inch barrel and scope. They train you to fire it at 800 yards! But in the Middle east they regularly engage at ranges of 500m. The French use the FAMAS at 450m without a scope, the Austrians use their AUG at the same range with a scope.

Either you are saying everyone in the British Army is a sniper or that you want the standard accuracy of army weapons to be lowered to your level.
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Old 11-23-2008, 02:27 PM
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In Britain we say you are; all talk and no trousers. Guess what that means.
Well with all your real world experiance you have ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,ooopppppsssssss

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I can't collect any firearms, look top right, it says UK, we lost our right to keep and bare arms when we ran out of enemies
You have none , thanks for playing . BUH BYE ..............

PS and by the way
In case you didnt know , Britain has lots of enemies mostly the domestic type .
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Old 11-23-2008, 02:36 PM
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Well with all your real world experiance you have ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,ooopppppsssssss



You have none , thanks for playing . BUH BYE ..............

PS and by the way
In case you didnt know , Britain has lots of enemies mostly the domestic type .
I said i don't own one, not that i don't use them. Thanks for playing.

I won't say that i've used all weapons and i won't say i've used a Galil.

PS: We all have domestic enemies. But you don't need to force them often.

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You make a much sense as THIS

A rabbit with a pancake on its head....

You've made is plainly evident that you know about as much about firearms as a Buddhist monk knows about performing a Jewish Bamitsva......



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Edited cause you guyz skeered me.

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i have to agree with Gunner-Fisherman...i dont like to post too much bout what i have...its just too risky anymore...
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Old 11-24-2008, 02:42 AM
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You've made is plainly evident that you know about as much about firearms as a Buddhist monk knows about performing a Jewish Bamitsva......


Your, all talk... i mean pictures. Ya don't have any facts do ya? Ever used a galil?
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Geez Mr. Smartpants, it doesn't take a genius to understand that a .223 from a Galil will knock you just as dead as a bullet from an M4. M4's and Galil's (with the exception with the 7.62 mentioned) were never meant to be used as sniper rifles. besides, in combat you don't have time to scope a guy in from 300m...


Arm chair commando Mr. Smartpants present, with more facts and statistics than reality.
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Um, average combat firing distance for small arms is under 300m. Also its kinda funny that the M16 and and Galil have the SAME EFFECTIVE RANGE along with the same twist rate in the rifling that produces next to identical results in accuracy when compared to the M16.

I would have no problems what so ever being armed with a Galil, it's somewhat light, it's accurate and has the same knock down and accuracy as a M16.

Oh yea, is the design of the Galil was so poor and innacurate, why did the Israelis make a 7.62mm sniper version out of it?

http://world.guns.ru/sniper/sn32-e.htm

Now when it comes to guns.....

Or just keep putting your foot in your mouth, the choice is yours.

And the Tavor, doesn't need a bigger bullet, IT NEEDS A LONGER BARREL so it can actually utilize the knock down capacity of the 5.56mm...
you notice that he is also trying to say that the delayed recoil operated HK actions are based on the AK? This guy is outright STUPID,,, and needs to be stoned...as in with rocks... so that they knock some sense into his head, so he stops spouting about what he doesnt know about...
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