Food stamp fiasco

[SSanf]

Originally Posted by cstockwell

Again you answer a question posed to you with a ludicrous answer with no meaning nor merit. You can't even explain what your statement means nevermind actually answer the question posed to you. Nobody asked about "current debt" we asked about how your future programs you endorse will be subsidized in one manner or another. You truly are scatterbrained and ignorant. Keep Trolling!

Allow me to make it very, very simple. It will be paid for by deficit spending.

I know it is hard for you to wrap your mind around the fact that the debt never has to be repaid and it never will be repaid. But, try. Try real hard.

YouTube- COTD 71 (US manafacturing jobs)

The jobs, of course, went to China and other countries with cheap labor. Of course, they are not going to insist that we pay our debt nor are they going to stop lending us money. So, we can just keep on spending. If they did stop lending or insist that the debt be repaid, they would have no one to sell their goods to and their populations would be unemployed. That would cause great social upheaval there and they certainly don't want that. Their leaders would lose their jobs and as I understand it they are less kind than we are when they depose a leader. So, they will keep the US humming along as best they can.

But, yes, the entire system is going to come crashing down because it is unsustainable. They too, do not need all those people working in factories. The world no longer needs all that factory labor and huge amounts of other jobs can and will be eliminated. You are aware that unemployment is a world wide issue, right?

But, I wouldn't worry your head too much about how the US is going to pay for health care. Your question implies that the US is inferior to all the other civilized countries that somehow manage to pay for health care for all their citizens because they can do it and somehow we just can't figure it out. I do not think such is the case. As for rationing and so forth, piffle. You sure don't hear much of an outcry from the citizens of other countries demanding that their countries provide them with a dandy health care system like the US has. In fact, they scoff at us because they have universal health care and we don't. And, frankly, its damned embarrassing and a shame on our country that we don't.

[cstockwell]

Originally Posted by SSanf

Allow me to make it very, very simple. It will be paid for by deficit spending.

I know it is hard for you to wrap your mind around the fact that the debt never has to be repaid and it never will be repaid. But, try. Try real hard.

I can't wrap my mind around something that makes absolutely no sense. Deficit spending only lasts so long until an economic collapse. When that happens there is no monetary system to cover all of these "ideas" you have. You have obviously confused "spirituality" with "intelligence". You may be spiritual but that doesn't make what you talk about true or coherent for that matter.

You have spent so much time on the Internet the last 7 or 8 years you have lost touch with reality. Your delves into paganism, spiritual well being, twitter, myspace and youtube have REALLY taken you away from the real world.

Again I am going to put this plain and simple so even you can understand it. START PUTTING UP SOME FACTS OR SHUT YOUR TRAP. Every post you make shows how IGNORANT you are. You notice I keep using the same term over and over. Ignorance isn't only a distinction of intelligence. Your ignorance stems from "cut and paste" mentality of posting youtube videos and quotes of others with no real substance on your part. You are like a little kid plagiarising a book report.

---edit--- And enough of the editing your posts AFTER the fact when those who can actually debate a topic coherently have replied to your posts. You may think it makes you look smart by then "magically" having the answer to something after you post in your previous post but it does not.

BTW...I can argue with your for the rest of your pathetic life but I have REAL things to do. It is like having an argument with my 7 year old daughter. She can only grasp so much so she sticks with the same tactics.

[SSanf]

Originally Posted by cstockwell

I can't wrap my mind around something that makes absolutely no sense. Deficit spending only lasts so long until an economic collapse. When that happens there is no monetary system to cover all of these "ideas" you have. You have obviously confused "spirituality" with "intelligence". You may be spiritual but that doesn't make what you talk about true or coherent for that matter.

You have spent so much time on the Internet the last 7 or 8 years you have lost touch with reality. Your delves into paganism, spiritual well being, twitter, myspace and youtube have REALLY taken you away from the real world.

Again I am going to put this plain and simple so even you can understand it. START PUTTING UP SOME FACTS OR SHUT YOUR TRAP. Every post you make shows how IGNORANT you are. You notice I keep using the same term over and over. Ignorance isn't only a distinction of intelligence. Your ignorance stems from "cut and paste" mentality of posting youtube videos and quotes of others with no real substance on your part. You are like a little kid plagiarising a book report.

---edit--- And enough of the editing your posts AFTER the fact when those who can actually debate a topic coherently have replied to your posts. You may think it makes you look smart by then "magically" having the answer to something after you post in your previous post but it does not.

BTW...I can argue with your for the rest of your pathetic life but I have REAL things to do. It is like having an argument with my 7 year old daughter. She can only grasp so much so she sticks with the same tactics.

LOL!! I hardly think the economy is tied to my religious beliefs. But then, as you have so aptly noted I am not a Christian nor any offshoot of a Jehovah based religion. Of course, the fact that my religious beliefs have nothing to do with the discussion at hand and it is the best you can come up with in an effort to discredit what I say is laughable. When you cannot discredit a person's argument, try to find something else about them to disparage. That is a classic logical fallacy used by poor debaters.

Yes, we agree the current economic system will only last until it implodes under it own weight. Then, there will be a new economic system.

[SSanf]

BTW, please direct me to your facts laden posts on the economy. Please, direct me to where you have posted the solutions to our current mess and supported those conclusions with reliable references. So far, all I have read is your opinions. I am new here so surely I have missed where you have brought facts and figures, charts and graphs to the discussion in the past.

[cstockwell]

Originally Posted by SSanf

BTW, please direct me to your facts laden posts on the economy. Please, direct me to where you have posted the solutions to our current mess and supported those conclusions with reliable references. So far, all I have read is your opinions. I am new here so surely I have missed where you have brought facts and figures, charts and graphs to the discussion in the past.

I am not suggesting any new type of socialist republic so I need not bring any "facts" to the table regarding our debate. You are telling everyone they are wrong but can not provide any information as to why. Yes you are new here and have done nothing but spew crap all over this board.

My wife and myself are both college educated at a good business school and are fully aware of economics. We also follow the news and economy in mainstream and non-mainstream media because we need to. My wife has worked in the financial industry for 15 plus years and we are pretty well off. We do not need to leech off others as you propose. My guess in that you are in fact a leech and why you feel the need to push that belief on others to feel better about your shortcomings. Plus I personally believe you are a nutjob plain and simple...and simple.

[Discordish]

I got behind a guy that in line at Walmart the other day that had a fit because foodstamps wouldn't buy his 4 pack Monster Energy Drinks... Then he go on his cell phone and bitched to his wife about it.

I personally would rather dumpster dive then take foodstamps. I look forward to the day when that system goes broke.

[123Testing]

Originally Posted by The Saint

Yes and at age 65 I wonder how much of that universe will cover you medically? Here’s some advice, don’t break a hip.

I learned Medicare/Mediciad 101... the HARD WAY.... my 96yr old Grandmother, fell, in the nursing home, and broke her hip. That was on March 15th, 2005. She had emergency surgery, as a result. This old ITALIAN P!SS FIRE OF WOMAN seemed to fare well, from the surgery!!! LOL

Here comes the problem.... she was sitting at the Nursing Home Dinner Room, having her supper at 6pm... and suddenly... she was UNRESPONSIVE!!! This was April 10th. Do the math.... THIS WAS LESS THAN ONE MONTH LATER!!!!

She had a Stroke!!! We are pretty confident, this stroke was somehow related to her fall/surgery.

WE LEARNED.... THAT MEDICARE/MEDICAID DOESN'T PAY FOR END OF LIFE!!!! Nope!!!

She actually got KICKED OUT OF THE Medicare/Medicaid system. The HOSPICE program had to kick in.

Ya see.... the Medi system ONLY PAYS FOR IMPROVEMENTS IN LIFE.... NOT THE LAST OF LIFE!!! Once you START FAILING IN CARE... THE MEDI SYSTEM BAILS OUT!!!! (THEY ONLY PAY FOR IMPROVEMENTS!!!)

They DON'T pay when your life is FAILING.....

Once she showed signs of FAILING.... the Gov Medi system.... DENIED BENEFITS.... HOSPICE had to kick in.....

This 96 yr old woman broke her hip, on March 15th. She died on April 13th... 2 days short of the ONE month Anniversary. More importantly... she died ONE MONTH SHORT OF HER 97TH B-DAY. (May 12th)

[anne36]

123, Im so sorry about your Grandma.

I have heard similar stories, isnt it crazy?

[TrysteofFate]

Ok. How many pages has this argument been going on? People, I hate to break it to you, but SS is doing his job quite well. Making you irritated. You're not going to change his mind, you're not going to out-argue him.

That being said, the system as we have it right now is broken. But not as badly as some would have you believe.

First off, the belief of classism. I was born into an upper-middle class family, one grandfather owned a large sub-contracting firm that made him a lot of money in the 70s and 80s. My other grandfather was a professor at a large university, before he retired. My father currently has a six figure job, thanks to hard work.

Right now? I'm making 9.00 an hour. 55 hours a week. During the summer, I'll be cutting lawns to make ends meet, along with other odd jobs as they present themselves. That'll increase it to somewhere around 70-75 hours. During the winter, like now, I'm working on school work. How am I able to pay for this? An opt-in system. (HOPE grant: Georgia state lottery) I take no government funds except those which people do not have to pay.

Is it easy? No. Am I getting a lot of rewards? No. Just because you were born with rich parents doesn't mean you get an easy ride through life.

The question becomes, then, why am I doing this? Why spend my time working when I could be doing other things? My couch doesn't have a proper indent in it's seat....I could work on that, couldn't I? I mean, really, what use is a couch without an indent from long periods sitting?

I do it because I am convinced it is the way a person should live. I do it because I get a sense of sastifaction about knowing that, yes, I could have better things, but what I have is mine. No one gave it to me. No one has a string on my life. No one can tell me what to do, with the threat being 'if you don't, all your toys go away.'

Think about this for a moment. A wolf lives a hard life. Near constant struggle for survival. Hunting for the pack, fighting for dominance within it, defending itself against outside forces. Compare that to a lap dog. Food is given to it, it doesn't have to fight, and it's humans protect it from outside threats. Sounds like a pretty good life, right?

Oh, in exachange it has to do a few things. Sit. Roll over. Jump through this hoop, fido! Small prices to pay. But what if it's humans can no longer care for it? What if it's put out into the big world without protection.

Heh, the wild dog packs would have the toughest time deciding, "Do we eat it, or f*ck it?"

I work hard now so it will pay off later. When I graduate from college, I will be able to find a job that pays better. Work hard, get promoted, heck, maybe even start my own business. I work hard so that I can build up preps for if the situation goes South. Heaven forbid I ever have to use them, but if I need them they will be there. I work hard so my family, when I build one, will be provided for.

I work hard for the point of pride that I never had to get on my knees and beg.

[squidy]

Originally Posted by SSanf

One in seven Americans are now on food stamps. And, nearly half the children receive them at some point. If you need them and qualify, you should take them.

http://www.straitstimes.com/Breaking...ry_455349.html

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091103/...en_food_stamps

Thanks but I really don't need them yet. That's not my money, I won't take it unless I'm going hungry.

[SSanf]

Originally Posted by 123Testing

I learned Medicare/Mediciad 101... the HARD WAY.... my 96yr old Grandmother, fell, in the nursing home, and broke her hip. That was on March 15th, 2005. She had emergency surgery, as a result. This old ITALIAN P!SS FIRE OF WOMAN seemed to fare well, from the surgery!!! LOL

Here comes the problem.... she was sitting at the Nursing Home Dinner Room, having her supper at 6pm... and suddenly... she was UNRESPONSIVE!!! This was April 10th. Do the math.... THIS WAS LESS THAN ONE MONTH LATER!!!!

She had a Stroke!!! We are pretty confident, this stroke was somehow related to her fall/surgery.

WE LEARNED.... THAT MEDICARE/MEDICAID DOESN'T PAY FOR END OF LIFE!!!! Nope!!!

She actually got KICKED OUT OF THE Medicare/Medicaid system. The HOSPICE program had to kick in.

Ya see.... the Medi system ONLY PAYS FOR IMPROVEMENTS IN LIFE.... NOT THE LAST OF LIFE!!! Once you START FAILING IN CARE... THE MEDI SYSTEM BAILS OUT!!!! (THEY ONLY PAY FOR IMPROVEMENTS!!!)

They DON'T pay when your life is FAILING.....

Once she showed signs of FAILING.... the Gov Medi system.... DENIED BENEFITS.... HOSPICE had to kick in.....

This 96 yr old woman broke her hip, on March 15th. She died on April 13th... 2 days short of the ONE month Anniversary. More importantly... she died ONE MONTH SHORT OF HER 97TH B-DAY. (May 12th)

My condolences on the loss of your grandmother. It sounds as if she had both a long and inspiring life. It is fortunate that she had Medicare until it could no longer enhance her life.

When Medicare ended, she was not abandoned by the system, she was only transferred to a different program called Hospice which is a wonderful program that provides support to both the dying and the family. Hospice does a remarkable job and we should all be grateful that it is there.

It is sad that our loved ones cannot endure forever. Losing someone we are close to is one of the hardest things we ever have to go through.

[SSanf]

Originally Posted by anne36

123, Im so sorry about your Grandma.

I have heard similar stories, isnt it crazy?

Not so crazy. When people are dying they and their families need many different, more specialized and kinder services than those receiving medical treatment to continue life. It isn't surprising that they are turned over to people who specialize in meeting their special needs.

[SSanf]

Originally Posted by TrysteofFate

Ok. How many pages has this argument been going on? ...etc.

Thank you for your post. Here I was saying that there would be adequate people who would work voluntarily and no one believed it. Then, you pop up and prove the point.

Keep on pushing that lawn mower. I'm definitely in favor of you doing it for what ever reason floats your boat.

[SSanf]

Double post. Sorry.

[flatulentfox]

SSanf, you preach this utopia of the world's majority populace not having to work, allowed to spend their time lounging and in pursuit of leisurely activities.

What about our current situation? Should we all walk away from jobs right now? If we do, won't we never reach this "utopia"? What is your proposal?

[SSanf]

Originally Posted by flatulentfox

SSanf, you preach this utopia of the world's majority populace not having to work, allowed to spend their time lounging and in pursuit of leisurely activities.

What about our current situation? Should we all walk away from jobs right now? If we do, won't we never reach this "utopia"? What is your proposal?

No, it is going to be a natural progression. What you need to do now is to wrap your mind around the idea that the work ethic is not going to be what determines a person's value and personal worth in the near future. If you cannot incorporate that idea into your own value system, you will be at a distinct disadvantage to those who do. That stubborn clinging to ideas that don't work anymore are going to cause you and the people who depend on you unneeded hardship.

The jobs that need doing are declining as we speak and they will not come back. More and more jobs are going to be eliminated. That is an over all good because at last humanity is going to be able to enjoy true freedom.

The problem is that way too many people are intimidated by the very idea of real freedom. They will not know how to act or behave when freed. Some feel more secure being slaves than facing the perils of actually having the hours of their lives under their own control. They need task masters and think everyone should.

Some people will opt to work because they just plain like someone else giving structure to their lives. They want a boss. Others want to be a boss. There will be enough of them to do the work that is truly needed. And, they will receive rewards for making that choice.

Just as when the slaves were freed after the Civil War, some will not adapt and will act badly. They will be punished for their crimes, eliminated from society and the rest of humanity will get on with a new society with new perspectives and new values.

The transition from old to new values and lifestyle may be rough. There are always those who fight tooth and nail to resist change even when the change is clearly better and to their own benefit. That period of time is what we need to be prepared for.

[trainedtosave]

Originally Posted by SSanf

No, it is going to be a natural progression. What you need to do now is to wrap your mind around the idea that the work ethic is not going to be what determines a person's value and personal worth in the near future.

Requoted for truth. I have never felt that the job I had or the money I made determined my worth as a human being. I view money differently than most people, seeing it as a tool. I do not care about debt, I have a huge debt from college loans, and could walk away from it in a heartbeat. I do not feel tied to money as so many others do. I always laugh when I see people driving luxury cars look down on my Taurus beater wagon. They are the ones that are the idiots, paying 80K too much for a car. Society's greed and stupidity amuse me.

[miss becky]

the horse has been dead long time
hence it is useless to continue beating said horse.
peace.

[hedley]

I'd like to be on SS myself, but it would almost require a plea of insanity and that will never happen. The food stamp fiasco, as it is so named, is part of the illegal immigration problem (most of 'em refuse to even speak english!). They come here knowing that all they have to do is have a baby (3 nets you more), and from then on it's easy street at the american taxpayer's expense. I don't gas what you buy with your stamps as long as ALL the illegals and their illegal children are removed entirely from US soil. It's all a govt scam to steal money. I long for the day when the govt gets the big ZERO. They deserve it. I'd put them in a bread line with homeless people in frickin africa with absolutely no life-line whatsoever. After that, I'd send all their children off to war in some american-hating country or other. Unfortunately this system screws over not only the foreigner (he thinks it's all downhill), but also the american for which it truly is. It's a two-faced system and the govt is the ONLY winner. They will always be the first ones out, leaving everyone else to try to figure out how the american dream was demolished through corruption.

[desert wanderer]

My philosophy is that while food stamps are genuinely needed for young unwed mothers, I think food stamps are part of what's wrong with America, especially illegals getting them! Personally, I'd rather shoot a tasty critter, or work my butt off to be able to eat.
While Ronald Regan had his problems, one thing he said once really stuck in my mind"THE BEST SOCIAL PROGRAM IS A JOB". And you know, if a person thinks about it, that statement makes a lot of good, common, sense! I don't care how hungry I get, I could not get my food with food stamps. I don't mean to belittle people who genuinely need and use them. They just aren't for me!