Home-ground flour - First attempt at making bread = not good!

[shireart]

Hi all

OK, so my first 20kg sack of milling wheat, and the hand-cranked grain mill arrived today.
In the spirit of true preparedness, and under the principals of learning to use and work with what you stock, I started work on my very first loaf of bread using home-ground flour (although I did try to cheat by using a bread making machine.)


Unfortunately, it was not a very successful first attempt.
3.5 hours later, the end result was quite frankly, rubbish!
The bread had risen in the machine, but then subsequebtly flopped into a concave top, and that's how it baked off, then over-cooked and hardened.


I've decided to stop being lazy by using the bread machine, and to attempt loaf number two using just my bare hands, and a good ole conventional gas oven.


What I REALLY need right now is a simple, straight-forward recipe I can follow for making a very basic loaf of bread (nothing fancy), that is likely to yield a pleasing result using this home-milled flour.

I'd really appreciate any suggestions and your input



For anyone interested, I used the "Milling Wheat" from these guys:
http://www.browfarm.co.uk/online_sto...ing_grains.htm


Cheers
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[MikeK]

It sounds like the yeast put off more CO2 than the gluten structure of the dough could hold and it fell. I'm far from an expert on bread baking, but I can share a few of my observations.

Bread made with 100% whole wheat will never rise as high and be as light as bread made with at least some white flour added to it. I overcome some of this by buying the highest protein wheat I can find. Secondly, after milling, I sift it and dump off anything that doesn't go through the sifter. This removes some of the bran and helps the bread to rise better. Save the siftings for use in muffins and pancakes.

Sometimes I cheat and add some wheat gluten (baking section of the grocery store) and the bread comes out great. You don't need to add the gluten, but the loaf will be denser without it.

You might try cutting back slightly on the yeast and increasing the kneading to build the gluten structure more. If you're not using oil in the bread, you might try that also. It helps to lubricate the gluten and help it rise. I'll poke around my recipes later and see if I can find my original instructions for making 100% whole wheat bread.

[SSanf]

Oh, this should be interesting. Do keep us apprised of your progress on the project.

[shireart]

Sure thing SSanf - I'll be sure to let you know if I manage to produce a good result.
I am just waiting for attempt number 2 to rise - just used basic ingredients - flour water salt and yeast. so far it's looking ok(ish). the proof will be in the cooking.

[ForestBeekeeper]

It takes a lot of practice.

We get un-hulled barley, oats, and wheat. So there is a lot of chaff, and it has to be dryed really dry or else it gunks in the mill.

[cranky1950]

You were probably a little heavy on the sugar or honey and light on the salt, that allows the yeast the get really active and produce a lot of gas.

[Hick Industries]

After a lot a flat loaf failures, I have a recipe that seems to work for me.
Start with 3 cups warm water, 1/2 cup brown sugar, 2 tbs mollasus, 1 tbs yeast.
Add 4 cups whole wheat flour, 2 cups fine ground flour or white AP flour.
If you have it, add 1/2 cup each rolled oats, corn meal, wheat bran, and gluten.
Punch down the dough once before putting it in the pan and bake it as soon as it rises again.

I stored 50 lbs of White AP flour. But my new K-Teck electric mill produces a better, finer flour than I can buy in the store.

ps, do not punch down the dough as much as you normally would.

[lanahi]

Good that you're learning this now and not when you absolutely need it! Good luck!

[shireart]

Thanks for the replies so far.
I'm sticking to VERY basic minimal ingredients as if in a shtf scenario:
just 1 type of basic flour (self-ground), with only minimal ingredients, i.e. water, salt / sugar, yeast and oil.

I've continued experimenting through the weekend, and have made slight progress. I've found that grinding the wheat on a coarse setting, then sifting it will seperate out a lot of the bran, making the flour lighter and rise more.

The end result is still pretty dense though. is there any way to encourage better rising?

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[cranky1950]

Originally Posted by shireart

Thanks for the replies so far.
I'm sticking to VERY basic minimal ingredients as if in a shtf scenario:
just 1 type of basic flour (self-ground), with only minimal ingredients, i.e. water, salt / sugar, yeast and oil.

I've continued experimenting through the weekend, and have made slight progress. I've found that grinding the wheat on a coarse setting, then sifting it will seperate out a lot of the bran, making the flour lighter and rise more.

The end result is still pretty dense though. is there any way to encourage better rising?

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try regrinding the screened flour on the fine setting also your should be using hard wheat for bread.

[shireart]

Originally Posted by cranky1950

try regrinding the screened flour on the fine setting also your should be using hard wheat for bread.

Thanks for the tip Cranky. I'll be sure to do that when I attempt my next loaf in a day or two. I'll also take your advice on the salt with less sugar.

I'm not too sure about the actual wheat I am using, it's the "Milling Wheat" from these guys: (shown on this page link)

http://www.browfarm.co.uk/online_sto...ing_grains.htm

Any comments on it would be appreciated. Also, is there any other type of grain product available on this page link that might help me to produce a better loaf?

cheers for any help

.

[acptpfalcs]

We baked some bread this weekend using hard red wheat that we received from LDS. We ground it using our "Back to Basics" hand grinder and used the LDS recipe that was provided with the wheat. The recipe is also available on page 2 of the brochure under "Whole Wheat Bread" which is also available on their website:
http://providentliving.org/pfw/multi...sBrchr_pdf.pdf

It calls for seven cups of milled flour. We substituted with five cups of milled flour and two cups of store bought white flour, but followed the rest of the recipe. We also made it into three loaves instead of two, because we were using smaller 8.5" loaf pans, coatedwith olive oil. Turned out exceptionally well, we were pleased with the reults.

The recipe is very simple and basic, just what we wanted.

Hope this helps. Good luck!

[shireart]

Thanks very much for the link - very useful - also some other handy recepies there - I've printed it out and will be sure to give it a try!

[cheftothestars]

1/ Possibly youre not activating the yeast enough
2/ when proving the dough how long are you allowing and how are you proving it?
3/ Are you kneading the dough enough to develop the gluten?


http://www.recipezaar.com/Basic-Whole-Wheat-Bread-25082

This recipe looks pretty good

[MikeK]

Originally Posted by shireart

Thanks for the tip Cranky. I'll be sure to do that when I attempt my next loaf in a day or two. I'll also take your advice on the salt with less sugar.

I'm not too sure about the actual wheat I am using, it's the "Milling Wheat" from these guys: (shown on this page link)

http://www.browfarm.co.uk/online_sto...ing_grains.htm

Any comments on it would be appreciated. Also, is there any other type of grain product available on this page link that might help me to produce a better loaf?

cheers for any help

.

That's a good wheat to make bread with alright. You might hit your local market for wheat gluten. It's in the baking section. It really helps pure wheat breads. You can cheat and add some white flour to the whole wheat also. That's what most bakeries do, since it's hard to bake with 100% whole wheat.