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11-04-2009, 02:18 PM
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Inflenza "A" - My Story
Just thought I would share a little first hand information on my experience. My son came home from school with fever so my wife and I dutifully kept him home the next day. After emailing his teacher to get his lessons, I learned that 6 other children from his class were sent home with fever. This took the total to 12 of the 20 kids from his class alone were out sick.
Within three days I was sick with fever. I decided to go get tested and try to get something to knock it out as I have two young daughters and did not want them to get this. The clinic administered a test that determined I had Influenza "A". I was told that 50% or more of this type was "Swine" flu but that they would not test further to confirm. When I inquired why, I was told that the treatment was the same regardless of whether you had Swine flu or some other kind. The doctor explained that the only time they test for Swine flu specifically was is you were hospitalized. Then they are required to report to the CDC. OK, so now I'm thinking the CDC stats are completely under reported. And the cases that they are reporting are likely all very serious cases. I cannot believe there is a reporting structure like this. It completely undermines the very point of gathering the statistics. Further, I am left wondering what guidelines outlined by the CDC permits this kind of thing. I cannot imagine a healthcare system willing to put their license on the line for failing to report properly to the CDC unless the CDC themselves approved. This looks to me like another example of our trusted authorities releasing only the part of the story they want us to know. I guess they don't want to insight panic in the public by letting people actually understand the true scope of the problem. So that kind of begs the question, why bother with collecting stats at all - unless it is to better manage the "sheeple". I just wanted to warn everyone to take this seriously and don't decide to act based on the CDC stats. 
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11-04-2009, 02:56 PM
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The good news! Your doctor doesn't think it's serious enough to worry about! Hip, hip, hooray. That says a lot. Unfortunately, it sounds like you may have bought into all the hype and the hoopla tossed around by our current administration and the mainstream media. Apparently, according to your doctor, it's much ado about nothing.
In other words, it doesn't matter what is reported to the CDC or not. They're just a mouthpiece for WHO and we know what they're all about. Get your rest, drink your water, wash your hands often and I bet you're be fine in a few days. Take care.
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11-04-2009, 03:25 PM
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The swab test to confirm H1N1 was shown to produce 97% false-negatives, so the CDC in their infinite wisdom declared they were not going to track it.
It's Government CYA.
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11-04-2009, 06:43 PM
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I was told (by my MD who is also my coworker,) that because the fast test for H1N1 is very innacurate and the other test takes up to 5 days to get back that testing was pointless. Treatment with Tamiflu must begin in the first 24 hours of symptoms. So you either treat it without the test results or you don't treat it. I recovered without treatment but I'm not in the high risk group and I still have fluid on my ears and had pneumonia as a secondary infection.
So, you are correct in assuming the reports and statistics are way off. I overheard a group of docs at work yesterday. They were saying that their patients who have otherwise recovered from H1N1 are frequently reporting ear and headaches weeks later and many have fluid in their ears. Just thought I'd mention it.
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11-04-2009, 09:08 PM
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Don't get me wrong...I love stats. But when people are stretched thin already in the health insurance budgets or because of high taxes...one must consider it. In a pandemic labs are working extra OT. People that need lab test results from other diseases also need to get their results. I believe the CDC took the best approach. Ultimately it would be best if everyone got lab tests but there isn't the resources to do such a thing...just do those in hospital that are truly sick and need care.
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11-04-2009, 10:19 PM
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Perhaps the worst part in this is the effect under reporting it is likely to have on the general public's motivation to act appropriately. Bottom line, I think it is misleading for the CDC to under report metrics related to H1N1 cases without at least making it clear how there coming to there numbers, i.e. (only hospitalizations not actual infections). Perhaps a better plan would have been to do a real public service and opt on the side of caution. Let everyone know the truth that the test for Influenza "A" is essentially pointless, the strain is super contageous, and post the real numbers of those testing positive for "A". Nothing says they couldn't still track hospitalizations as well once the "truly sick" get the Swine Flu results. Anyway, thank goodness the Influenza "A" seems to be managble for most and not something worse...
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11-04-2009, 10:25 PM
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Well, from what I've been given to understand, doctors have been told to report all flu-like symptoms as H1N1. So, that's going to botch up your stats roy-al. Although, I'm not sure what the point to this is, except more ammo for the scare tactics bunch.
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11-05-2009, 12:59 AM
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Stats are nanny state! Let everyone fend for themselves. Anything organized is nanny.
On a serious note you do want the flu now before the second wave. Or you rather have the Ukraine type?
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11-05-2009, 03:27 AM
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I believe the high cost of the H1N1 test ($400.00) is a major part of the reason why
they are not testing specifically for H1N1. Plus the fact that it takes 10-14 days to get the results. By that time, you're over the flu!!! I obtained this info from the following article: http://www.timesreporter.com/local_n...6/H1N1-is-here “Only those patients admitted to the hospital will be tested for H1N1 specifically, but the test costs $400 and results take 10 to 14 days." “We’re following the CDC guidelines for flu testing and treatment,” Kelly said. “The treatment of the patient will be the same regardless if it’s the H1N1 or not.” Also note that the CDC has stated that 99% of people who test positive for Influenza A have H1N1. "Since mid-September 2009, over 99 percent of the influenza strains circulating in the United States are 2009 H1N1 virus." http://www2c.cdc.gov/podcasts/player...219#transcript Seems to me, the CDC would be better served if they were notified of all positive Influenza A cases.....
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11-05-2009, 04:54 AM
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Back in early May, I got sick. I got bronchitis, then pneumonia. I had been put on some odd antibiotic for the bronchitis and then 1 day after I finished with the medication, I began getting sick again. Serious coughing....fatigue was like nothing I've experienced before. My family finally pushed me to the doctor again and it was learned I had pneumonia. Another round of medication, specifically for pneumonia. It was a 7-day pack, probably a type of steroid. Once I finished my medication, I was still very very tired and a day after that, I started getting sick again. The third round of illness began with a fever up to 102F and a very bad sore throat and headache. By this time, it was early June. I have never been sick like that before and it appeared one thing led to another. I was tested for H1N1 in early June and then, the CDC protocol was to not appear in the doctor's office but to go somewhere unpopulated. I was instructed to go to the back of the doctor's office and was swabbed in the parking lot. The test turned out negative. No medication, just told to treat myself like a basic flu (rest, liquids). Considering how very ill I had been, I have been suspicious of a false-negative from the onset. I also find it very unusual in the manifestation of the illness in general. I've never had bronchitis or pneumonia before and never been a smoker, so I did conquer the battle, but honestly, I've never been so sick in my life. It was the upper-respiratory difficulties and the unbelievable fatigue. By mid-June I was getting some energy back, but I look back on it all and wonder what was really going on. My pharmacist is a personal friend. She said many people who came there with a bronchitis were prescribed a medication that then developed into pneumonia. I feel those tests should not be taken in the first place because they are not accurate enough and mislead both the medical staff and patient.
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11-05-2009, 05:19 AM
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Ok, I'm going to say something here that may not be all that popular. First, let me say that I'm glad the OP and he child and all the others are recovering well.
We complain mightily about nanny gov, forced health care and forced vaccines. This is the flip side. We can't complain about protocols and getting sick. When I was a kid, people still died of pneumonia and were hospitalized for 2 weeks with it routinely. We are so used to working through colds, getting a "7-day pack" of meds for pneumonia and most all illnesses being treatable, that we get upset and want the gov to "do something" when one comes along that isn't so easy to treat. People talk about how horrible the healthcare will be and that it will have "death squads", but the truth is that, like in any emergency or battle, folks get triaged according to their seriousness and ability to survive. People used to use common sense and just take care of themselves, kids got normal kid diseases, but now everyone wants to go to the doctor and get a quick cure. If the worst happens, we won't have that option. People have to learn how to handle these things. People, including kids, will die. It's a fact and we all hope it doesn't happen in our family, but it will. Get a medical book and an start collecting herbs to ease you and your loved ones through an illness and learn the germ fighting techniques that our ancestors didn't know...use vinegar, salt, bleach and stay out of crowds. It's a fact that when more than 3 kids get together, someone will pass on a nasty germ at some point. Keep your kids home if you don't want that. Home schooled kids get many less colds than public schooled kids. It's just the nature of colds to float around waiting for a warm host. I guess the point is that we need to look at these things as a normal part of life and learn to live with the inconvenience. We can't bit@h at the government with one side of our mouth over all the intrusions and then complain with the other side when they don't do enough.
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11-05-2009, 05:42 AM
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Actually, Herbalpagan, I am an American citizen who pays a heck more in taxes than I want to -- to an inept government. I have every right to complain about the Federal government, and when it affects me personally (or may affect me personally if the healthcare-nightmare is passed), I will continue to complain and I will continue to advocate for the government to get-out-of-my-life.
Whether you know this or not, the CDC FORCED their "guidelines" on the doctors and hospitals. If they were caught not following those "guidelines", the CDC said they had the right to close down the facility for 7 weeks. That isn't a "guideline".....it's a Federal threat. The CDC is full of b.s. and they sit on known pathogens waiting, studying, doing who-knows-what pushing papers here and there all the while people get infected with viruses, bloodborne pathogens, or bacterial infections. Sorry about being specific for the illness I went through. I wasn't whining at all. I'm actually a very very healthy person and when I got sick no one could believe what was happening, myself included. I'm more than just a little ticked off at your calloused statements to me because you do not even know me or my medical history whatsoever. I do not take any medication lightly, but I'm not going to go dig some root to make some freak tincture when I have pneumonia....or a recurrence. My medical instructions were to call back if I was not better after taking that 7-day pack of medication you scoffed me over. So, following the physician's instructions, I did... It's just that simple. I shared my springtime "nightmare" thinking it might resonate with someone else reading, that's all. Yeah, people get sick. Yeah, people die. But you know what fizzes me is that the Feds portend to be all-knowing, all-protecting and it's a farce. When the Feds tamper with our health system for any reason, it is one huge cluster-flug. Make no mistake -- I'm not talking out of both sides of my mouth. I got bronchitis from my son who was living with us at the time. He had been in a serious car accident. How would I protect myself from the household, hmmm? Airborne viruses and bacteria don't go away with the wave of a wand or the swipe of alcohol.
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11-05-2009, 09:41 AM
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Airborne viurs's are nasty to control, but you can read up on how people used to protect from them. What I was saying (or trying to) is that it's interesting to see people who don't want government intrusion, wanting it when it suits them. Self sufficiency is an important goal for all to strive for 9seeing this is a survival board, I assume that most want to survive), but it means being prepared to do things different in an emergency.
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11-05-2009, 01:59 PM
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Oh, I see...so you merely targeted most of what I said, then went global with your last statement. Got it.  You got a problem with me taking antibiotics? Oh well. You got a problem with me taking medication for pneumonia? Oh FN well. I didn't ask your opinion, did I?The whole point of "government intrusion", if you had read these posts carefully is just this: the Feds have made an enormous mess out of H1N1/Swine flu. People are angry about what has been happening, too. Every aspect that the Feds involved themselves in with Swine Flu has done little but create confusion, difficulties, hysteria, and yes, even deaths. And we're not even near the end-zone. I'll be waiting for the long-term effects of the H1N1 vaccines on children and pregnant women.... Had the Feds been realistic about this man-made RNA virus, there would have been no irrational front-door exclusions to doctors' offices, no huge proportion of false-negative test results, no threat to our health/safety issued without adequate vaccines for this contagion, no promise to the public that they would deliver those vaccines at a target date, no erroneous information, etc. As for your rationale on self-sufficiency and illness. Many of us ARE quite self-sufficient -- in many ways. But you know what? Some here have not been pushed to the point yet where they have to scrape everything together as in "emergency". And none of us have, as of yet, been pushed to the brink from some man-made disaster. Many here have jobs and enough money at this point to actually afford provisions and, yes, medical care. Do you really believe that I would compromise my health because I need to "practice" some fantasy-emergency? Is there some sort of "survivalist acceptable protocol" that needs to be implemented at all times, in preparation for an emergency? By your line of thinking I should toss out antibiotics for pneumonia because I need the practice to be a survivalist. Unbelievable. Maybe it's also time to let everyone else here know those pain-killers, antiseptics, bandages in the medical kits. That'll go over real big, too.
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