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Can liberals be survivalists / preppers?

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Can liberals be survivalists / preppers?

89K views 534 replies 212 participants last post by  Watchingtheweasels 
#1 ·
I’ve seen a rather high number of posts about that liberals basically can’t be survivalists and some posts that they aren’t welcome. I think it would be interesting to see a poll about what people in general think about this subject. So do you think that liberals can be survivalists?
 
#165 ·
If on looks at the current state of politics in America you will see that both sides of the political spectrum are in a state of apathy. The only way to invigorate their base is in the use of hot button topics which work for on both sides . Topics like the A word I got a temp ban for , gay marriage, illegal immigration , and any other controversial topic to distract that we are heading for some huge S. I think that the whole Liberal Vs Conservative debate is kind of like watching a WWF/WWE , at the end of the day they are all at the same table eating together and laughing at what a great show they put on .
 
#167 ·
I said Liberals can be Survivalist/Preppers.....when we rebuild they will make fatal flaws in establishing a new civil society but they can prepare for the worst of what S may HTF.

I am also willing to bet that once they find out why the SHTF they might be confused having guessed wrong and a percentage may become Conservative after the SHTF.
 
#168 ·
New Here

I'm much older then many here I'm sure age 66 soon to be 67. Grew up the old ways, pretty poor as a kid, folks finally did better when I was in high school then able to send me to college.

My husband and I have worked hard in our lives, don't do debt, have provided for ourselves.

We have some rent houses and hubby plans to work to 68 or hopes to, depends on the availiability of projects. Even though he makes a very good salary we save religiously, and we still think we won't have enough, he is working longer as our savings are earning nothing and haven't in years. We don't invest in the gamble of the stock market, can't afford to lose the money.

He and I have built and remodeled houses, nothing he can't do. I can, sew, raise a garden, raise and dress out chickens, and care for them, but I managed to work for 30 years, was an accountant for years till I had to throw in the towel with sick mom and DD. I manage our few rentals, repairs, taxes, and all related activities.

We now have decided to move back to where we were from 30 years ago, its a rural southern Indiana sitting, currently we live near Houston. Hubby never really wanted to leave so is thrilled to come back. I got worried that in a financial collapse of the country I think is coming, we don't need to be near any big city, even though we lived rural the city is coming to us. I saw the mass migration to and through our area after Katrina and it scared me. That was when I got a permit to carry, since I have let it lapse. We have plenty of guns they are inherited, but I need to buy more ammo.

I have a lot stocked up foodstuffs, and other products and I intend to stock more, But I just spent $300 to $400 on foodstuffs and cleaning products and got very little. But each month the same amount will buy even less so stocking up more now. Will have another big garden out this summer, easier to raise foodstuffs here.

I am worried about the future, but this has been coming for decades. And yes we want our medicare and SS, that was built into our plans from day 1.

We don't expect anyone will take care of us, but we still hope to receive what we worked for. However our situation is complicated by a mentally challenged daughter to support. We are trying to save enough to take care of her but with no earnings on savings I doubt it happens and we may need help.

I am compassionate to those of lessor means and suffering and I see more then I have ever seen.

We are survivors and will but guess what we are also liberals. I'm sorry that so many think less of folks like us. We think those who are poor, sick, or disabled should have help if they need it.

We see the source of all this as the outsourcing of all the good jobs so the job creators could become filthy rich on the backs of poor people in other countries. By doing so they have deprived our country of the means for people to make a living, to pay taxes, to not have to resort to relief, to have a better life for they and their kids. And I don't see it getting better unless punitive taxes are imposed on imports to bring it back. Its amazing everything here prospered before when high wages and taxes were paid and now we are suffering.

So hate away, I'm a liberal and a moderate one, not radical in anyway, yet many of you still won't like me. How short sighted and bigoted.
 
#173 ·
Can a modern liberal be a survivalist? Sure. Just like a cannibalistic serial killer can be a doctor. Just ask Hannibal Lecter. :taped:

The question isn't one of ability, but motive. The government isn't reacting to crises in its redistribution of wealth, it's causing them. Whether by incompetence or intent, liberal programs are causing the ills that we are all trying to overcome. They have been since 1913.

In response, some of us, labeled "survivalists" as a term of disparagement, have seen to our own needs, stockpiling what we can, growing what we can, and preparing to defend what we can, for as many people as possible. Yet, liberalism tells us that we are evil, greedy, violent homegrown terrorists.

As the situation falls further apart, they should turn to us for answers, as we are the only ones who have answers, but instead, want to punish us and take what we have to prop up their failed policies. The federal government and its liberal policies spend every dime of tax money on "non-discretionary spending" and none on actually governing, which they have to borrow $1.4 trillion to do every year. And they tell us that we're evil because we pay with cash, have no debt, and live within our means, yet still have surplus wealth stored in land, food, guns, gold, gardens, etc.

Maybe the government should get its filthy, liberal hand out of my back pocket and learn from my way of life, instead of threatening me with violence for providing for my family, and as many others as I can. :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:
 
#176 ·
one thing you will have to decide is, what is a liberal and what is a conservative?
if you go by the old definitions then a liberal is one whom wants to change everything
a conservative is one whom wants everything to stay the same

part of the problem is in this new age that a lot of word meanings have change. a lot of what we call Liberal is "progressivism". a lot of the ones in power are progresives. McCain, Bush, and Clintons are that.
i could be considered liberal because i want everybody to have the same constitutional rights, and i could be conservative because i want the government out of everybody's business.
there is some confusion on here that one or the other political party is conservative or liberal. i contend it has nothing to do with political parties. you can have conservatives , liberal ,or progressives in all parties
 
#185 ·
For some reason hatred seems to be the hallmark of the right and conservatives anymore. It's hate for anything that is the least bit different then they espouse to. I'm not quite sure what brought about this change. I guess its peole like the koch brothers and some of the other people that have taken over the republican party. The only way this country will succeed again is for both sides to moderate but many don't want that to happen. You know what they say about a county divided and I don't want to see that. .

And a muslim in the white house, that one really gets me, the man didn't even know his father and he was raised mainly by grandparents from Iowa, sure a hotbed of muslim activity. Please read beyond the right wing propoganda and watch and listen to something besides faux news. There is a wealth of information out there.

We are all looking for someone or something toblame for what is happening to our country. You know what its all of us, for decades we wanted it all and noone wanted to pay for it. Even bush started a couple of wars with no way to pay for it, all have contributed to our problems and issues. It will take all of us working together to fix it if we can and not by sniping and cutting each other down, what does that fix.

And I'm a liberal but I don't want you to not have anything or enjoy the fruits of your labors, I don't understand where that comesfrom.
 
#186 ·
For some reason hatred seems to be the hallmark of the right and conservatives anymore.
LOL. I've found the Left accuses the Right of what they, the Left, is guilty of. Bill Clinton's racism (a few years ago these guys used to serve us coffee). Hillary Clinton's sexism (Women have been the primary victims of war. Women have always lost their father's, husbands, and sons). Biden's racism (they'are gonna put you in chains). Obama's hatred of the rich and successful (you did not build that business, somebody else did).

In general, the Left hates women who choose to stay home, have a baby and raise it. They claim to embrace choice, so long as you make the politically correct choice. Tell a Liberal you are a White, male, heterosexual Christian and proud of it. See how full of love they are. :)
 
#197 ·
If your right wing, left wing or stuck in the middle what does it matter in the end. Sure you might not agree on everything but isn't that the point that people can have their own options on things.

I know people who believe in all sorts of things want guns left or right or even in between. Why is sometimes different but most of the time it's not. There are people on both sides that believe different things when it comes down to rights but the people that drive a wedge between people are really the problem by dividing people instead of speaking with them so they can come together on terms even if they don't agree all the time can happen. Keeping a wedge funds politics and allows big companies to buy elections. It's easy to get people to vote 1 way or the other on just 1 or 2 key issues. At least in the US I see it as this way.
 
#198 ·
Yes I think liberal can be survivalists and good ones to. I happen to agree with some of the other posters that they may be a bit more tolerate than some more conservative preppers.

Also humans are adaptable. All of us. It's got nothing to do with politics.
 
#209 ·
I know liberals and conservatives and must say that 3/4 of them do not fit their own classification. Liberals who believe in good sterwardship of the plants resources with concealed weapons permits. Conservatives who recieve government aid and don't like firearmz.

And i know some who are more extreme at both ends (i avoid these folks if i can) this group seems to try to convert everyone to their agenda.
 
#213 ·
Seems to me that most people have a deep and desperate need for Go___. Some choose God, some choose Government, but either way it amounts to the same.

Now a major difference is in the ideas of both people. Those who go with God tend to have an attitude of "He helps those who help themselves". Those who go with Government tend to have an attitude of relying on Government for everything. It wouldn't surprise me if in 50 years' time behind-wiping is regulated, with certain methods made illegal, etc. It's just the liberal trend.

So no, liberals can't be preppers. Further, most liberals I've talked to refer to anything outside a city as "flyover country" and have a visceral aversion to doing anything for themselves.
 
#215 ·
Big Brother's greatest accomplishment was making the citizens hate and fear each other. That's the whole point of the 2 party system. And, if you buy into titles like Conservative or Liberal, you're just part of the problem.
Your precious government is out to get you, because your almighty "job creators" pay them ungodly amounts of money to. All the while, people are trying to tell me who I should fear and who I should trust. Personally, I don't trust either of them. They're all cogs of the same machine that keeps the average jerk producing and consuming.
 
#219 ·
Awesome thread on demonstrating points based on fringe components of two different parties.

Olberman, Maddow, Matthews <-------vs-------> Hannity, Limbaugh, Karl Rove

Do any of those people really represent any of the people here? If we could shave the fringe I would be willing to bet that the world would be a better place. I oppose big government and big church. I oppose authoritarianism in all forms. I wouldn't jump on board with the Democrats and I won't jump on board with the Republicans either. Face it, survivalists don't NEED a leader, therefore tend to be more independent than strongly tied to party affiliation.

In most cases, liberals and conservatives can get along fine. The problem is when one is an authoritarian and feels the need to force their beliefs. Those most vocal about their opposition are sometimes the worst offenders.
 
#222 ·
It's not a question of liberals against conservatives, as some has said there will be a great change in the meaning of these words when the SHTF. what really is the evil in this world is the progressives that want to control everything. they are both liberal and conservative
 
#223 ·
I voted no because of the question. True liberals use terms like survivalist in a derogatory way. However Some of the best " live off the land / live anywhere with the bare minimal" types of people that Ive known were people that were very liberal, they lived in a commune back in the 70s. A lot what we learn/know comes from there experiences. But when the teotwawki happens there what I'll feed my dogs.
 
#228 ·
The problem is "liberal" is a pretty undefined term. Right-wing folks tend to assume it means "incapable of standing on their own two feet, socialist-inclined, big-government, income redistribution, gun-banning, baby-eating god-hating communist" but in reality life is somewhat more complex. Very few people are entirely one thing or another. I know an ultra-right-wing guy (big time gun owner, small government, pro-Bush, that kind of thing) who is also a swinger. Likewise I know a woman who is in favor of universal health care along the European model who also is an avid combat shooter.

Maybe if we stop labeling each other and instead look at what the useful attributes of a prepper/survivalist are, we can focus on what's helpful instead of getting into pointless arguments about who "can" and "cannot" be termed a "something"?

I like this site because, while I don't agree with a lot of what I read here, I do come across stuff that is useful, new, and makes me stretch my own thinking from time to time. And really that should be what it is all about, right?

And if we want to look at hard data, most of the studies show that strongly religious people tend to fare poorly under conditions of uncertainty and ambiguity - precisely the conditions that will apply in any disaster scenario. Yet I can't imagine any strongly religious person contemplating for a second the abandonment of their beliefs in order to be psychologically more prepared for an emergency, can you? So we are who we are. Let's just get on with the task at hand, which is planning ahead, staying in great shape, and looking after our families.
 
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