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Why dont we have state militias anymore?

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#1 ·
someone help explain this to me.

[E]ach and every free able-bodied male citizen of the respective States, resident therein, who is or shall be of age of eighteen years, and under the age of forty-five years (except as is herein after excepted) shall severally and respectively be enrolled in the militia...[and] every citizen so enrolled and notified, shall, within six months thereafter, provide himself with a good musket or firelock, a sufficient bayonet and belt, two spare flints, and a knapsack, a pouch with a box therein to contain not less than twenty-four cartridges, suited to the bore of his musket or firelock, each cartridge to contain a proper quantity of powder and ball: or with a good rifle, knapsack, shot-pouch and powder-horn, twenty balls suited to the bore of his rifle, and a quarter of a pound of powder; and shall appear, so armed, accoutred and provided, when called out to exercise, or into service, except, that when called out on company days to exercise only, he may appear without a knapsack

what has replaced the state malitia, and why does it seem that if "THE PEOPLE" try and form a malitia without the backing of the state(like recently happened near the boarder in Arizona) the government steps in to prevent it?
 
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#8 ·
your paid a 1. a day if i remember it right if you are called up by the governer of the state.that from the old days of the wild west when a governer could call up able bodied men to partol or do other dutys as set froth from the governer...

when a couple of the storms hit in the gulf coast area where i was at and i got asked to help out with a local group of horsemen who helped with diff areas of the S&R dutys useing my horse and i was paid a 1.oo a day for use of my horse and gear ..to me i would done it anyway but it was funny to credit for 10.days of work with my horse and gear..
 
#9 ·
Ok, so the OP has issues with spell check. Big deal, get over it.

Militia's have been on the decline since the Indians stopped rading our villages and our opressive British overlords were driven from this land. We now have the State Police / Patrol &/or the National Guard for dirty work like quelling riots and such. The Continental army has been expanded and now in violation of our founders views is now a standing army.

The other issue is: If mere subjects were permitted to have the same military weapons as our armed forces the subjects might rise up and overthrow their state governments or even presume to remove the pesky Federalists from office and restore the "worthless paper" this Republic was founded upon.

So, be your own militia (note the small "m"). You don't need to worry about rank, insignia, or uniforms. Know someone good at organizing ? There's your Quartermaster. Got someone who knows tatics ? Then you have a potential commander.

Stay small, pratice your marksmanship and tatics and stay off the radar.

When you're outraged, grab your gun and go outside.

If you're alone, it's not yet time.

Keep your powder dry and Godspeed to you.
 
#18 ·
Yes Sir! And for those who haven't seen it here is the relevant Federal law....

10 U.S.C. § 311 : US Code - Section 311: Militia: composition and classes

(a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.
(b) The classes of the militia are -
(1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and
(2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.
 
#28 ·
Yes Sir! And for those who haven't seen it here is the relevant Federal law....
Each state has either anti-paramilitary, or anti-militas laws on the books post civil war. Some have both. For example The state I live in this is the official law of the land here:

-Alabama. ALA. CODE s 31-2-125-

Quoted from: http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/alcode/31/2/31-2-125

Any two or more persons, whether with or without uniform, who associate, assemble or congregate together by or under any name in a military capacity for the purpose of drilling, parading or marching at any time or place or otherwise take up or bear arms in any such capacity without authority of the Governor, must, on conviction, be fined not more than $1,000.00. This section does not apply to any school or college where military training and instruction is given under the provisions of state or federal laws, nor to the order of Knights of Templar, Knights of Pythias, Patriarchs Militant or Uniform Rank Woodmen of the World.
(Acts 1936, Ex. Sess., No. 143, p. 105; Code 1940, T. 35, §176; Acts 1973, No. 1038, p. 1572, §126.)
I believe you about those state laws regarding militias but how often are people arrested, charged and convicted unless they are doing something stupid like manufacturing automatic weapons, bombs, grenades and so on? I have never heard of a law enforcement raid on any militia for gathering to drill, parade or otherwise train.

2nd Alabama Militia, Co. A seems to have been around for more than five years and have a web site. They don't seem to be concerned about violating the law. Maybe they operate in a way that doesn't violate any laws.

Here is a list I found regarding laws against militias. I can't say if it is accurate but here it is...

States with Both Anti-Militia and Anti-Paramilitary Training Laws (7)

-Florida. FLA. STAT. ANN. ch. 870.06, 790.29.
-Georgia. GA. CODE ANN. ss 38-2-277, 16-11-150 to -152.
-Idaho. IDAHO CODE ss 46-802, 18-8101 to -8105.
-Illinois. ILL. REV. STAT. ch. 1805, para. 94-95.
-New York. N.Y. MIL. LAW s 240.
-North Carolina. N.C. GEN. STAT. ss 127A-151, 14-288.20.
-Rhode Island. R.I. GEN. LAWS ss 30-12-7, 11-55-1 to -3.


States with Anti-Militia Laws Only (17)

-Alabama. ALA. CODE s 31-2-125.
-Arizona. ARIZ. REV. STAT. ANN. s 26-123.
-Iowa. IOWA CODE s 29A.31.
-Kansas. KAN. STAT. ANN. s 48-203.
-Kentucky. KY. REV. STAT. ANN. s 38.440.
-Maine. ME. REV. STAT. ANN. tit. 37-B, s 342.2.
-Maryland. MD. CODE ANN. art. 65, s 35.
-Massachusetts. MASS. GEN. L. ch. 33, s 129-132.
-Minnesota. MINN. STAT. s 624.61.
-Mississippi. MISS. CODE ANN. $ 33-1-31.
-Nevada. NEV. REV. STAT. s 203-080.
-New Hampshire. N.H. REV. STAT. ANN. s 111:15.
-North Dakota. N.D. CENT. CODE s 37-01-21.
-Texas. TEX. GOV'T CODE ANN. s 431.010.
-Washington. WASH. REV. CODE s 38.40.120.
-West Virginia. W. VA. CODE s 15-1F-7.
-Wyoming. WYO. STAT. s 19-1-106.


States with Anti-Paramilitary Training Laws Only (17)

-Arkansas. ARK. CODE s 5-71-301 to -303.
-California. CAL. PENAL CODE s 11460.
-Colorado. COLO. REV. STAT. s 18-9-120.
-Connecticut. CONN. GEN. STAT. s 53-206b.
-Louisiana. LA. REV. STAT. ANN. s 117.1.
-Michigan. MICH. COMP. LAWS s 750.528a.
-Missouri. MO. REV. STAT. s 574.070.
-Montana. MONT. CODE ANN. s 45-8-109.
-Nebraska. NEB. REV. STAT. s 28-1480 to -1482.
-New Jersey. N.J. REV. STAT. s 2C:39-14.
-New Mexico. N.M. STAT. ANN. s 30-20A-1 to -4.
-Oklahoma. OKLA. STAT. ANN. tit. 21, s 1321.10.
-Oregon. OR. REV. STAT. s 166.660.
-Pennsylvania. 18 PA. CONS. STAT. s 5515.
-South Carolina. S.C. CODE ANN. s 16-8-10 to -30.
-Tennessee. TENN. CODE ANN. s 39-17-314.
-Virginia. VA. CODE ANN. s 18.2-433.1 to -433.3.

There are literally hundreds of militias across the country.

Here are the results of my five minute Google search. Virtually all of these and more are listed by the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) so I'm not exactly sharing anything that is secret (in case anyone is wondering.) I'm just wondering how these groups continue to operate?

http://alaskacitizensmilitia.com/
http://www.americanborderpatrol.com/
http://mohaveminutemen.com/
http://arizonaterritorymilitia.blogspot.com/2010/05/support-arizonalist-of-those-who-are.html
http://www.arizonamilitia.com./
http://www.apfn.org/
http://www.cochisecountymilitia.org/
http://www.cosdf.us/
http://floridafreemilitia.com/index.html
http://www.gamilitia.com/
http://www.georgiamilitia.net/
http://www.erpn.org/
http://www.northidaho21lightfoot.org/
http://www.jackmclamb.com/
http://www.freewebs.com/garand69/index.htm
http://www.ilstm.bravehost.com/
http://www.indianamilitia.org./
http://btln19ism.synthasite.com/
http://indianasonsofliberty.com/body.asp
http://www.fortunecity.com/victorian/crayon/881/index.html/
http://www.fortunecity.com/victorian/crayon/881/gcm.html
http://www.delta5mlim.webs.com/
http://www.ovfreedomfighters.com/index.html
http://frost.bbboy.net/themainepatriotboard
http://unitedmilitiasofmaine.webs.com/
http://www.volunteermilitia.com/
http://michiganmilitia.com/
http://mmcw8thdiv.22web.net/
http://nmbpm.webs.com/
http://www.michiganmilitia.com/SMVM/smvm.htm
http://www.freewebs.com/westmivolunteermilitia/
http://www.minnesotamilitia.8k.com/
http://mississippimilitia.us/
http://www.mississippimilitia.us/
http://www.attalamilitia.webs.com/
http://www.missourimilitia.com/
http://3rdbrigade.missourimilitia.com/index.html
http://8thbrigade.missourimilitia.com/
http://www.nebraskamilitia.com/
http://www.constitution.org/mil/ne/mil_usne.htm
http://tallgrassguard.tripod.com/
http://www.ncmilitia.org/
http://vmnd.synthasite.com/
http://www.sodf.org/
https://www.unitedstatesmilitia.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2617
http://www.ohiomilitia.com/
http://champaigncounty.tripod.com/
http://sodf.org/
http://www.neodf.org/
http://nwodf.org/
http://champaigncounty.tripod.com/id11.html
http://www.oregonwatchmen.org/
http://oregonmilitia.homestead.com/
http://www.inlibertyandfreedom.com/s_o_m_.htm
http://www2.1stpa-militia.net/forum/index.php?
http://www.freewebs.com/pamilitia/index.htm
http://wolfcreekrangers.yolasite.com/
http://texasmilitia.info/
http://www.texaspatriotmilitia.org./
http://www.southwest-desert-militia.us/forum/
http://www.dallascitytroop.org/
http://www.fortunecity.com/millenium/ruthven/569/rfv/militia.htm
http://www.14thff.9f.com/index.html
http://virginiacitizenmilitia.org/phpbb3/index.php
http://www.75thbn10thff.freehosting.net/
http://www.virginiacitizenmilitia.org/
http://www.wa63lightfoot.us/
http://kissata.homestead.com/
http://www.angelfire.com/wa3/1mtn/index.html
http://www.grantcountymilitia.com/
http://kingcountymilitia.com/
http://www.18thwashingtonvolunteers.org/
http://graysharborciviliandefenseforce.weebly.com/
http://www.angelfire.com/wa3/nwwr1/
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NWWashingtonMilitia/
http://washingtonstatemilitia.org/links.html#
http://graysharborciviliandefenseforce.weebly.com/officers-only.html
http://kansasstatemilitia.webs.com/
http://www.la-st-militia-10th-brigade.org/
http://www.militiaofmontana.com/
http://www.njmilitia.org/
http://www.11th-ff-esm.org/
http://webspace.webring.com/people/cs/sidewinder0336/ao.html
http://www.jekyllislandproject.com/default.aspx
http://www.patriotnetwork.info/
http://www.lawfulpath.com/
http://www.freewebs.com/easttennesseemilitia/
http://www.constitution.org/mil/nm/lea.htm

I don't have the answers
 
#11 ·
Vincent, the Militia Act of 1903 organized the state's militias into our current National Guard and Reserve Units. Bringing the state's militia's into Federal boundaries, where they required these state militia's to comply w/ the regular army's organization.

A couple of the biggest reasons for states going along w/ this, was so these militia's would receive Federal funding to bring equipment and organization up to the level of the army and that if the need arose they could be integrated w/ regular units if this nation was attacked.

So say California was attacked, National Guard units from Michigan, Florida, West Virginia could be called up, shipped out to the west, and go right to doing their business because the familiarity w/ an already established system and equipment.

However, there are 19 states that do have State Defense Forces, like what Texas Pete mentioned above. These have no Federal ties, they answer only to their respective states. Texas and Ohio actually have two seperate ones, they each have a seperate Naval or Maritime force.

Hope that helps explain the why and what the militia's have become over the past 100 years.

RQH
 
#12 ·
Vincent, the Militia Act of 1903 organized the state's militias into our current National Guard and Reserve Units. Bringing the state's militia's into Federal boundaries, where they required these state militia's to comply w/ the regular army's organization.

A couple of the biggest reasons for states going along w/ this, was so these militia's would receive Federal funding to bring equipment and organization up to the level that if the need arose and they could be integrated w/ regular units if this nation was attacked.

So say California was attacked, National Guard units from Michigan, Florida, West Virginia could be called up, shipped out to the west, and go right to doing their business because the familiarity w/ an already established system and equipment.

However, there are 19 states that do have State Defense Forces, like what Texas Pete mentioned above. These have no Federal ties, they answer only to their respective states. Texas and Ohio actually have two seperate ones, they each have a seperate Naval or Maritime force.

Hope that helps explain the why and what the militia's have become over the past 100 years.

RQH
this was a better answer than i was ever expecting. thank you. still it concerns me that the federal government has taken control of "state militias". i feel more comfortable with the idea of a state funded group there to protect us from the feds if and when the gooberment decides they are going to act up. or if a state decides its time to succeed. i know that texas is not a true state, in that they have the ability to depart form the federal goverment and become a seperate entity at will. it was a clause in their agreement to become a state. therefore it makes sense that they would keep a militia seperate from federal control... i hope that made sense... it did in my head:xeye:
 
#14 ·
these are the militias i think of , but these are also the ones the feds work hard to infiltrate, and often our media tries to make them out to be evil and hostile(some are, most are not)not to mention the all to often idea that they are white supremist organizations
 
#22 ·
From http://www.adl.org/mwd/faq5.asp


States with Both Anti-Militia and Anti-Paramilitary Training Laws (7)
-Florida. FLA. STAT. ANN. ch. 870.06, 790.29.
BUT

A. But that doesn't mean their actions are illegal. Whether or not their actions are illegal depend on:

  • what they are doing
  • what laws are on the books in their jurisdiction
  • whether those laws are constitutional
So use your head and network start a club. A state wide preparedness project, Join Alarm and Muster get to know your AO POC and other members.

Lots of people out there just have to know where to look. Operate in the light of day don't bother taking this on if all you want to do is perpetuate the myth of the 90's boogiemen in the shadows hiding, be a positive force in the community and if anyone comes for you they will have to go through your community first!

Befriend your sheriff if possible he is the supreme law of the land in every county.
 
#37 ·
although i'm not actually looking to join a militia i appreciate the info. i was just wondering because of the anitmilitia laws. it seem to me that our government is using those laws to prevent us from defending ourselfs from them. oh and thanks for the florida info. that is where im at.
 
#24 ·
Also for your reading pleasure what started it all.

http://openlibrary.org/books/OL598164M/****_bill_and_comments

The **** act of 1902 aka Efficiency of Militia Bill H.R. 11654

This is the first division of the militia. Organized and mustered= State Guard, unorganized = every person with a gun between adulthood ages.

Also I find it amusing no one ever quotes this bill as a source to stomp out small arms ownership of any degree. It is defined our 2nd amendment right to a T what was the intent and future meaning of it.

Just more to read for you.
 
#29 ·
nearly all states have those laws and nearly all states are not going to actually enforce any one of them... to much of a risk of vilolating the rights we have under the constitution...unless any one of those groups have done something illegal there is actually nothing that can be legally done without cause and reason...


sorry here... but the SPLC can go screw themselves.. they are nearly the worst thing that has ever walked, crawled, or slithered across the dirt... they stir up more anger and lies than they are even smart enough to know about.... yet, they will almost never list a group (unless they are pressured) that is pro left progressive or pro obammy...
 
#36 ·
representitive john w. patman, a texas democrat, noted the constitutional safeguard provided by the framers against abuse of power by the president, who controlled both the army and the militias when federalized.
the amswer was,"the people have a right to bear arms. the people have a right to keep arms; therefore, if we should have some executive who attempted to set himself up as a dictator or king, the people can organize themselves together and, with the arms and ammunition they have, they can properly protect themselves...
if we permit the people here in wasington to compel the peopleall over the nation to turn in their arms, theri amunition, then the chief exective, whoever he is gets control of the army and the militia, how the people be able to protect themselves."

this is from the book "the global war on your guns", by wayne lapierre. a book about the U.N. plan to destroy your bill of rights
 
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