Yes i do agree about the tradeing aspect,altho i think that having an outlet for small game and subsistance hunting would greatly increase our chances of survival.We are currently thinking about finding some remote land around Stockton Lake that isnt accessable by autos,that we could boat into and set up a place in the woods under the army corps.radar to bug out too,what do you think? it could be done,if shtf i think the corp. will be too bussy with other things to worry about a feu sqwatters on thear land,especially if we keep it low-key, your thoughts please..........thanks,ms,hillbilly