Survivalist Forum

What about this?

BackyardRambo — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 19:58:33 GMT

I've taken a look at this 2012 stuff and let me tell you, there's a lot of crap floating around there. I mean, it's really amazing how abundant it is.

But I did find something that actually does have at least some math behind it.

The theory basicly is that along with the regular 11 year solar cycles there are also larger roughly 11,500-12,000 year solar cycles, which could result in some pretty big CME's and possibly a magnetic pulse of sorts. This wouldn't necessarily be the end of the world, but it would pretty much put us back into the stone age.

I actually went and contacted the guy who has this theory, and told him to send me the math. And he did. But my math skills are not the greatest in the world, so I really can't comment much on it, and probably most of you guys aren't astrophysicists or mathematicians either. But I've heard from other sources that his math does indeed check out, the ramifications and timing of it however, are still unknown.

Come to think of it, I should probably post it on a math forum or something. Maybe some people can figure it out.

The guys name is Patrick Geryl, he is from Belgium. He hasn't studied at any university but he did make a pretty significant discovery some decades ago in the field of astrophysics. But he does indeed make some weird connections between this and different archeological stuff, like the Mayan calendar etc., and makes some very big leaps on what the consequences might be, but if his math checks out, it's definately something to concider exploring IMO.

Anyway, here is what he sent me ...

Quote:

Summary of my model. It explains:

1) Long and short sunspot cycles

2) Very low sunspot activity.

3) Why there is a difference between the sunspot numbers South and North of the equator (slightly different speed Southern and Northern polar field)

4) Why there is very low sunspot activity South or North of the equator, while there is sunspot activity in the opposite place!

5) Outburst of magnetic field activity are seen on the theoretical model. Even in declining and low sunspot activity!

6) Why Sunspots ABOVE the equator appear with the PLUS first... and UNDER the equator with the MINUS first....or vice versa

7) How a 3 dimensional model of the sun can be constructed

A Theoretical Calculation of the Sunspot Cycle

With the help of a simple integral, a theoretical sunspot cycle of eleven years can be imitated (copied) as follows:

The polar magnetic field of the sun rotates (theoretically) in about 37.2 days; the equatorial field in 25.75 days (the average of the last 75 years: see Long Term Variations of the Torsional Oscillations of the Sun, Solar Physics 170: 373/388, 1997, by Dirk K. Callebaut). At a certain moment, the equatorial field takes over from the polar field. Therefore we can only investigate the relationship between the field of the sun and an independent observer by measuring only each take-over movement. Through this we always compare only two variants: the converging positions of the fields in relation to the shifted point of observation. In fact we are doing nothing more than calculating the winding process of the magnetic field of the sun. At this moment we can calculate the numbers of the fields together with the converging position:

Subject: Re: Re:

Speed in degrees of the equator field: 360 � 25.75 = 13.9805825 degrees

Speed in degrees of the polar field: 360 � 37.19 = 9.6800215 degrees

The difference in degrees between the equator and polar field is: 13.9805825 – 9.6800215 = 4.30055848 degrees

The polar field is taken over by the equatorial field after the following number of days:

360 � 4.30055848 = 83.710058 days = 1 bit

The number of circles traveled by the equatorial field is:

83.710058 � 25.75 = 3.25087545

The number of circles traveled by the polar field is:

83.710058 � 37.19 = 2.25087545

0.25087545 circle forms a bit and will be used as a basic unit in the calculation

First point:

0.25087545 x 360 = degrees

= 91,3 degrees

= A

Put this in relation with an observer who travels the length of the mean of the polar and equatorial field in one day.

Total length equator field = 4.370.880 km

Mean of Polar field = between 700.000 km and 900.000 km = 800.000 km
4.370.880 + 800.000 = 5.170.880 km

mean =2.585.440 km

=> This is about equal with the speed of an object that travels 360 days around the sun in one year (plus/ minus)

=> To be corrected when we know the circumference of the polar field more excactly

Comparisson speed earth

Speed earth = 29,77 km sec
29,77 x sidereal day = 2.565.000 km/day

Conclusion

Point B goes in plus minus 360 days around the sun

in this case = 83, 7 days = 83,7 degrees because days is same as degrees

= B

A - B = end formula

When you calculate and subtract both graphics, the result will be the difference between the magnetic field of the sun and an independent observer. Filling in the previous numbers in the Excel file this results in a sunspot cycle of 54.5 bits. 54.5 x 83.710058 days = 4,562.2 days = 12.49 years.

Note:

The changes of speed of both the equatorial and polar fields were not taken into account.

Sunspot cycle of 9 years

We change the hypothetical speed of the polar field into 37.16 days:

360 � 25.75 = 13.9805825 degrees

360 � 37.16 = 9.68783638 degrees

Difference = 4.292746117 degrees

360 � 4.292746117 = 83.86240187 days = 1 bit

83.86240187 � 25.75 = 3.2567923

0.2567923 circle = 1 bit

When you put these numbers in the Excel file the result is a sunspot cycle of 42 bits.

42 x 83.86240187 = 3,522.2 days = 9.64 years.

Important conclusions:

1) Only a small change in the speed of the polar or equatorial field can result in a considerable prolongation or deceleration of the sunspot cycle.

2) From a mathematical point of view there has to exist a very close correlation between the equatorial and polar field.

3) The sunspot cycle together with the polar reversal of the magnetic field of the sun lasts longer when the polar field rotates somewhat slower. A difference of only (!) 0.0807 percent causes the cycle to rise from 9.64 to 12.49 years!

Third example: the cycle of 11 years

Speed of the polar field: 37.176 days

360 � 37.176 = 9.683666882 degrees

360 � 25.75 = 13.9805825 degrees

Difference: 4.296915618 degrees

360 � 4.296915618 = 83.7810262 days = 1 bit

83.7810262 � 25.75 = 3.25363208 circle

0.25363208 circle = 1 bit

When you put these data in the Excel file, the result is a sunspot cycle of 48.0 bits.

48.0 x 83.7810 = 4,021.5 days = 11.01 years.

Very low sunspot activity.

Equator field: 25.75
Polar field: 37.291

Very long cycle
=> ALMOST ZERO SUNSPOT ACTIVITY!

Further findings:

1. Sunpot Cycle of 11 Years

First possibility

Polar Field: 37.176

Equatorial Field: 25.75

37.176 : 25.75 = 1.4437

Polar field = 1.4437 times slower then equator field

2. No Sunspots

Polar Field: 37.291

Equatorial Field: 25.75

37.291 : 25.75 = 1.4482

Difference between (1) and (2) = 1.4482 - 1.4437 = 0.0045

Polar field = 1.4482 times slower then equator field

3. Sunpot Cycle of 11 Years

Second possibility

Polar Field: 37.4075

Equatorial Field: 25.75

37.4075 : 25.75 = 1.4527

Polar field = 1.4527 times slower then equator field

Difference between (2) and (3) = 1.4527 - 1.4482 = 0.0045

Same difference like between (1) and (2)

POSITIVE AND NEGATIVE SUNSPOTS

1. If you take the ABS from the final formula then you find the following

A. The Sunspot cycle from 25.75 and 37.176 = POSITIVE

B. The Sunspot cycle from 25.75 and 37.4075 = NEGATIVE

2. If Sunspots ABOVE the equator appear with the PLUS first... then they appear UNDER the equator with the MINUS first

Conclusions from (1) and (2)

a. If the Southern Polarity field from the sun has a speed of 37.176 then the Northern Polarity field has a speed from 37.4075

b. These speeds must change in the OPPOSITE with a new cycle.... because sunspots have then the OPPOSITE value from the previous one

37.176 has to change in 37.4075

37.4075 has to change in 37.176

3 DIMENSIONAL MODEL OF THE SUNSPOT CYCLE

I tried to reconstruct a 3 dimensional model of the sunspot cycle

Use the constant values of 1.4437 and 1.4527 of the 2 sunspot cycles

Then decrease the speed of the equator under 25.75. Example 25.5

Results:

1. The Sunspot cycle from 25.75 and 37.176 DECREASES in length

2. The Sunspot cycle from 25.75 and 37.4075 INCREASES in length

Then increase the speed of the equator above 25.75. Example 26.0

Results:

The OPOSITE from the previous findings happen!

1. The Sunspot cycle from 25.75 and 37.176 INCREASES in length

2. The Sunspot cycle from 25.75 and 37.4075 DECREASES in length

CONCLUSIONS

a. The average speed of the equator field rules the sunspot cycle ( fastest speed last 75 years = 25.35 days. Slowest speed = 26.28 days)

b. With the values from prof Callebaut is must be possible to recalculate the last sunpot cycles and possible future sunspot cycles

c. There is a mathematical principle in this theory that gives a constant sunspot cycle of 11 years (shorter and longer cycles are also possible)

Final conclusion:

The used formula's are basic...With more advanced programs it has to be possible to calculate sunspot cycles.

Sunspot Cycle Worksheet
http://www.scribd.com/doc/22816247

Also a few papers on long-term variations of the Sun's magnetic field, which seems to support his theory of a ~11,500 year larger solar cycle.

Long-Term Variations of the Torsional Oscillations of the Sun
http://www.scribd.com/doc/22815739

The Internal Rotation of the Sun
http://www.scribd.com/doc/22816056

Also, the fact that solar cycle 24 hasn't ended yet (it was supposed to end in 2006 iirc) also lends more credibility to his theory.

Anyway, I prefer to mostly ignore this kind of stuff, as it is impossible to prepare for it if it does happen.

West BY GOD Virginia (sigh)

SkullyWV — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 19:46:21 GMT

I'm always spouting off about how great it is here and I am correct when I do.
BUT...(there is always a but)
We do have our share or commies and morons.
Case in point; an article from the Charleston Gazette (Pravda) our Capital city's newspaper:

Morality: Right to health care
People's rights are created through political processes -- as when the brand-new American states ratified the historic Bill of Rights, or when the French Revolution proclaimed the Rights of Man, or when the new United Nations adopted the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.
Advertiser
CHARLESTON, W.Va. -- People's rights are created through political processes -- as when the brand-new American states ratified the historic Bill of Rights, or when the French Revolution proclaimed the Rights of Man, or when the new United Nations adopted the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.

In a less-formal manner, most modern democracies have established another right rooted in morality and equality: the right of sick people and families to obtain medical care. Universal medical insurance covering all citizens is standard, nearly everywhere. It is based on a compassionate belief that everyone is entitled to treatment for suffering. Residents of those countries feel secure, knowing they belong to societies that protect each person.

Shamefully, America -- the richest nation -- has been the only advanced land that callously leaves multitudes of families unprotected against ruinous medical bills. Around 47 million Americans -- mostly the "working poor," too affluent for welfare-based Medicaid but lacking solid jobs with insurance -- are forced to seek medical charity or go untreated. This cruel situation is immoral and undemocratic.

Ever since Theodore Roosevelt, visionary U.S. leaders have attempted to create universal insurance for Americans. Partial steps have succeeded: Medicare was passed for retirees. CHIP (Children's Health Insurance Program) was launched for low-income youngsters. Medicaid was established for the poor. Veterans Affairs care covers service members and ex-members. Public employee systems insure government workers and their families. Altogether, these government-run plans cover nearly half of the U.S. population.

However, efforts to expand protection to everyone else have been thwarted repeatedly by big-money interests reaping wealth from America's for-profit medical system.

Now the long-sought goal seems almost within grasp, because progressive Democrats wield power in Washington. But they're devising an over-complex tangle to protect commercial insurance corporations -- a formula that has failed in the past.

The best national health plans are government-run "single-payer" systems with little bureaucracy and enough strength to impose tough price controls on all providers and pharmaceutical firms. They deliver better care and save money. We can't understand why Congress and the Obama administration didn't consider this simple, direct, inexpensive approach. We hope their labyrinthine hodgepodge isn't such a snarl that it sinks to defeat, like previous proposals.

Morally, every American deserves a right to health care. Why shouldn't U.S. families have the same human right enjoyed by all Canadians, Britons, Germans, Scandinavians and residents of other enlightened nations? It's a disgrace for America to be a sad exception, the place where one right is lacking.

Passage of universal coverage for Americans would be a historic landmark, like creation of Social Security. We hope Congress doesn't fail, when it's tantalizingly close.

What do you all think about this knife

Colorado Rancher — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 19:32:53 GMT

http://www.horsewrightclothing.com/s.../Buckaroo.html

The "Buckaroo"

Handmade by Dave Ferry

The Buckaroo is our popular mid sized Damascus steel knife. This knife is 6.5 inches overall, with a blade length of 2 5/8 inches. The sharply pointed profile of this blade is perfect for cattle working. If you're looking for a knife that is not too small and not too big..... The Buckaroo will work well for you. The Buckaroo also comes with a lanyard hole, leather thong and mosaic pins. The blade is made from skillfully hand forged Damascus steel. Each blade has an exquisite and totally unique pattern that is formed by the layers of this steel. Damascus steel has been legendary for centuries for its toughness, beauty and edge holding ability. These knives are handmade to your order specifications. You choose the blade, handle material and sheath style. Please allow approximately 8 weeks for completion of your handmade knife. Any Dymondwood handle comes standard with this knife for the base price.(Please see Handle Material Options on the bottom of this page). The slot and loop sheath is included in price. BASE PRICE: $175.00

Hello from East Texas

120inna55 — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 19:20:29 GMT

My wife keeps quoting things from this board, so I thought I'd sign up. I live in the woods and love it. I'll probably learn a lot of things here.

Allen West on Fort Hood Massacre

madcritter — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 19:15:27 GMT

Allen West on Fort Hood Massacre

The following is a statement released by Retired Lt. Col. Allen West:

This past Thursday 13 American Soldiers were killed and another 30 wounded at a horrific mass shooting at US Army installation, Ft Hood Texas. As I watched in horror and then anger I recalled my two years of final service in the Army as a Battalion Commander at Ft Hood, 2002-2004.

My wife and two daughters were stunned at the incident having lived on the post in family housing.

A military installation, whether it is Army, Navy, Air Force, Marine, or Coast Guard, is supposed to be a safe sanctuary for our Warriors and their families. It is intended to provide a home whereby our �Band of Brothers and Sisters� can find solace and bond beyond just the foxhole but as family units.

A military installation is supposed to be a place where our Warriors train for war, to serve and protect our Nation.

On Thursday, 5 November 2009 Ft Hood became a part of the battlefield in the war against Islamic totalitarianism and state sponsored terrorism.
There may be those who feel threatened by my words and would even recommend they not be uttered. To those individuals I say step aside because now is not the time for cowardice. Our Country has become so paralyzed by political correctness that we have allowed a vile and determined enemy to breach what should be the safest place in America, an Army post.

We have become so politically correct that our media is more concerned about the stress of the shooter, Major Nidal Malik Hasan. The misplaced benevolence intending to portray him as a victim is despicable. The fact that there are some who have now created an entire new classification called; �pre-virtual vicarious Post Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD)� is unconscionable.

This is not a �man caused disaster�. It is what it is, an Islamic jihadist attack.

We have seen this before in 2003 when a SGT Hasan of the 101st Airborne Division (Air Assault) threw hand grenades and opened fire into his Commanding Officer�s tent in Kuwait. We have seen the foiled attempt of Albanian Muslims who sought to attack Ft Dix, NJ. Recently we saw a young convert to Islam named Carlos Bledsoe travel to Yemen, receive terrorist training, and return to gun down two US Soldiers at a Little Rock, Arkansas Army recruiting station. We thwarted another Islamic terrorist plot in North Carolina which had US Marine Corps Base, Quantico as a target.

What have we done with all these prevalent trends? Nothing.

What we see are recalcitrant leaders who are refusing to confront the issue, Islamic terrorist infiltration into America, and possibly further into our Armed Services. Instead we have a multiculturalism and diversity syndrome on steroids.

Major Hasan should have never been transferred to Ft Hood, matter of fact he should have been Chaptered from the Army. His previous statements, poor evaluation reports, and the fact that the FBI had him under investigation for jihadist website posting should have been proof positive.

However, what we have is a typical liberal approach to find a victim, not the 13 and 30 Soldiers and Civilian, but rather the poor shooter. A shooter who we are told was a great American, who loved the Army and serving his Nation and the Council on American Islamic Relations (CAIR) stating that his actions had nothing to do with religious belief.

We know that Major Hasan deliberately planned this episode; he did give away his possessions. He stood atop a table in the confined space of the Soldier Readiness Center shouting �Allahu Akhbar�, same chant as the 9-11 terrorists and those we fight against overseas in the Iraq and Afghanistan theaters of operation.

No one in leadership seems willing to sound the alarm for the American people; they are therefore complicit in any future attacks. Our Congress should suspend the insidious action to vote on a preposterous and unconstitutional healthcare bill and resolve the issue of �protecting the American people�.

The recent incidents in Dearborn Michigan, Boston Massachusetts, Dallas Texas, and Chicago Illinois should bear witness to the fact that we have an Islamic terrorism issue in America. And don�t have CAIR call me and try to issue a vanilla press statement; they are an illegitimate terrorist associated organization which should be disbanded.

We have Saudi Arabia funding close to 80% of the mosques in the United States, one right here in South Florida, Pompano Beach. Are we building churches and synagogues in Saudi Arabia? Are �Kaffirs� and �Infidels� allowed travel to Mecca?

So much for peaceful coexistence.

Saudi Arabia is sponsoring radical Imams who enter into our prisons and convert young men into a virulent Wahabbist ideology�.one resulting in four individuals wanting to destroy synagogues in New York with plastic explosives. Thank God the explosives were dummy. They are sponsoring textbooks which present Islamic centric revisionist history in our schools.

We must recognize that there is an urgent need to separate the theo-political radical Islamic ideology out of our American society. We must begin to demand surveillance of suspected Imams and mosques that are spreading hate and preaching the overthrow of our Constitutional Republic��that speech is not protected under First Amendment, it is sedition and if done by an American treason.

There should not be some 30 Islamic terrorist training camps in America that has nothing to do with First Amendment, Freedom of Religion. The Saudis are not our friends and any American political figure who believes such is delusional.

When tolerance becomes a one way street it certainly leads to cultural suicide. We are on that street. Liberals cannot be trusted to defend our Republic, because their sympathies obviously lie with their perceived victim, Major Nidal Malik Hasan.

I make no apologies for these words, and anyone angered by them, please, go to Ft Hood and look into the eyes of the real victims. The tragedy at Ft Hood Texas did not have to happen. Consider now the feelings of those there and on every military installation in the world. Consider the feelings of the Warriors deployed into combat zones who now are concerned that their loved ones at home are in a combat zone.

Ft Hood suffered an Islamic jihadist attack, stop the denial, and realize a simple point.
The reality of your enemy must become your own.

Steadfast and Loyal,

Lieutenant Colonel Allen B West (US Army, Ret)
http://nygoe.wordpress.com/2009/11/0...hood-massacre/

Stripper clips?

Dr.Gee — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 19:07:45 GMT

Are these only used on open bolts?

Great Forum

Neddles — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 19:05:19 GMT

It is nice to find people who think alike. I have always been the type to prepare for disaster. I actually get excited about disasters at times but I quickly remind myself there are children suffering that didn't get the chance to choose and prepare.

Nice site. I love it.

Mutated flu virus in Norway and Sweden.

indoorsman — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 19:01:53 GMT

Saw on the news today that a couple of people have died here from a new strain. Too early to say anything about the seriousness yet. So far it does not appear to be worse than the standard strain. If anybody knows anything about it, feel free to post.

My how far the apple has fallen from the tree...

Getyershells — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 18:54:56 GMT

Food for thought this Thanksgiving season...

By the President of the United States of America, a Proclamation.

Whereas it is the duty of all Nations to acknowledge the providence of Almighty God, to obey his will, to be grateful for his benefits, and humbly to implore his protection and favor-- and whereas both Houses of Congress have by their joint Committee requested me to recommend to the People of the United States a day of public thanksgiving and prayer to be observed by acknowledging with grateful hearts the many signal favors of Almighty God especially by affording them an opportunity peaceably to establish a form of government for their safety and happiness.

Now therefore I do recommend and assign Thursday the 26th day of November next to be devoted by the People of these States to the service of that great and glorious Being, who is the beneficent Author of all the good that was, that is, or that will be-- That we may then all unite in rendering unto him our sincere and humble thanks--for his kind care and protection of the People of this Country previous to their becoming a Nation--for the signal and manifold mercies, and the favorable interpositions of his Providence which we experienced in the course and conclusion of the late war--for the great degree of tranquility, union, and plenty, which we have since enjoyed--for the peaceable and rational manner, in which we have been enabled to establish constitutions of government for our safety and happiness, and particularly the national One now lately instituted--for the civil and religious liberty with which we are blessed; and the means we have of acquiring and diffusing useful knowledge; and in general for all the great and various favors which he hath been pleased to confer upon us.

And also that we may then unite in most humbly offering our prayers and supplications to the great Lord and Ruler of Nations and beseech him to pardon our national and other transgressions-- to enable us all, whether in public or private stations, to perform our several and relative duties properly and punctually--to render our national government a blessing to all the
people, by constantly being a Government of wise, just, and constitutional laws, discreetly and faithfully executed and obeyed--to protect and guide all Sovereigns and Nations (especially such as have shewn kindness unto us) and to bless them with good government, peace, and concord--To promote the knowledge and practice of true religion and virtue, and the encrease of science among them and us--and generally to grant unto all Mankind such a degree of temporal prosperity as he alone knows to be best.

Given under my hand at the City of New York the third day of October in the year of our Lord 1789.

Geo. Washington

Used to the power grid working, don't be.

Hess — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 18:45:36 GMT

I have a link to a series of articles describing how hackers have penetrated the power grid here and elswhere. Sometimes they embed software to crash the grid at a time of their choosing, sometimes much worse.

http://standeyo.com/NEWS/09_Sci_Tech...r.threats.html

I am not counting on electricity forever. I appreciate it while I have it, but I'm not counting on it always being here. Hackers can set power turbines to basically self destruct through lack of lubrication and temp. control. When things like happen you can't just get another one at Walmart, but maybe from China in a year. My thanks to Stan Deyo for always ferreting out these thiings.

Truck Load of PIGs "WARNING GRAFFIC PHOTO"

Willy-N — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 18:31:43 GMT

Brought home 2 of the pigs for our freezer this morning. Now we have enought pork for over a year to add to our years plus worth of beef we raised on our place. Makes a nice load looking in the back of a pick up!! This makes it all worth while to raise them. I warned the few who needed to be told about the graffic pictures. Mark

Good deal on p-mags

kansasbandit — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 18:11:51 GMT

http://dsgarms.com/index.cfm/product...---10-pack.cfm

My new girlfriend : // Tikka-T3 Hunter // 1 MOA advertised

wolf_1611 — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 18:10:16 GMT

...Picked up this baby last weekend, they advertise 1 MOA out of the box, and after putting around 150 rounds thru it consecutively I'd say that this rifle delivers on that promise.

Shown with Harris-style bipod, Stainless barrel, shoulder strap and buttstock bullet holder. The trigger is the smoothest I have ever felt on an off-the-shelf rifle, and the stainless scope was included as a package deal. The quality of the furniture is tip-top. The lockup is extremely tight, no wiggle, and the action is incredibly smooth. The gun holds 3 in the mag + 1 in the chamber, although I plan on picking up an extended mag over the weekend.

I picked this up with along with 3 boxes of Ammo and everything you see in the pic for just under $900 new @ Scheel's. I WAS going to get a Rem-700, but after shooting this bad girl I believe I made the right choice. (I've shot both)

(>_<) can someone explain this?

Dwind — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 18:03:24 GMT

Is THAT who I think it is? Can any Swedes shed some light on this??

http://www.tackfilm.se/?id=1258746495380RA93

Atlanta folks?

atlflyfisher — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 17:38:06 GMT

Hi-

Are there any folks that live in town in Atlanta? I am looking to build a network, and wondering if anyone would like to jointly buy property outside of Atlanta.

Thanks,
Matt

Remington's DEFECTIVE trigger system (Approx. 4 million rifles)

Double Ott — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 17:34:30 GMT

http://www.drinnonlaw.com/Texas-Defe...mington700.php

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

APPROXIMATELY FOUR MILLION DEFECTIVELY DESIGNED REMINGTON TRIGGERS ARE STILL BEING TRUSTED AND USED BY THE UNSUSPECTING AMERICAN SPORTSMAN.

Defective Remington 700 Bolt-Action Rifle

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Remington’s Defective Trigger System
A Historical Summary

Extensive Claims and Litigation History

1.Remington has been aware that its bolt-action rifles will sometimes fire absent a trigger pull.

2.To date, Remington has received thousands of customer complaints of unintended discharge for the Model 700 and 710 alone. Over 100 injured individuals have sued Remington over the same defective design. Remington and its insurers have paid to settle most of the claims rather than admit the defect and pay the cost of a recall and refit thereby leaving millions of persons at risk of their lives and those of their family and friends. click on here to review Remington memo January 2, 1979 wherein Remington admits to its own defect and recognizes the danger to its customers)

3.Ignoring thousands of customer complaints, Remington refused to recall its rifles, install a new trigger, or warn its customers of the potential danger. (click on here to review Remington memo dated January 2, 1979 wherein Remington admits to its own defect and recognizes the danger to its customers)

4.Instead, Remington designed the new 710 (introduced in 2001) using the very same defective M700 fire control.

5.Not surprisingly, Remington has already received numerous complaints from its customers of unintended discharge, mirroring the complaint history of the 700.

The Defect

1.Remington’s trigger mechanism uses an internal component called a “connector” – a design component not used by any other rifle manufacturer. The connector floats on top of the trigger body inside of the gun, but is not physically bound to the trigger in any way other than tension from a spring. When the trigger is pulled, the connecter is pushed forward by the trigger, allowing the sear to fall and fire the rifle.

2.The proper position of the connector under the sear is an overlap of only 25/1000ths of an inch, but because the connector is not bound to the trigger, the connector separates from the trigger body when the rifle is fired and creates a gap between the two parts.

3.Any dirt, debris or manufacturing scrap can then become lodged in the space created between the connector and the trigger, preventing the connector from returning to its original position.

4.Remington’s defective fire control could have been redesigned to eliminate the harm or danger very inexpensively. There is no valid engineering reason why the successfully utilized connectorless designs could not have been used by Remington in its Model 700 and 710.

5.In fact, Remington has recently done just that for the Model 700 with a newly designed trigger, the X-Mark Pro. That design, which eliminates the connector, was completed in 2002. However, Remington chose to continue with its prior unsafe design for financial reasons, never warning the public. Even today, Remington installs the new fire control into some but not all of its bolt-action rifles, leaving many users at risk with the old and defective design.

Jury Verdicts and Appellate Court Opinions of Remington’s Defective Fire Control

1.In Lewy v. Remington, 836 F.2d 1104, 1106-07 (8th Cir. 1988); the Eighth Circuit upheld a finding of punitive damages against Remington in 1985.

2.In Campbell v. Remington Arms Co., 1992 WL 54928 (9th Cir. 1992)(unpublished opinion); affirmed a jury verdict of $724,000 based on a fire on bolt closure, finding no error.

3.Later in 1992, the Texas Supreme Court, in Chapa v. Garcia, specifically describes Remington’s fire control as “defective.”

4.In 1994, a Texas jury rendered a verdict in Collins v. Remington after Glenn Collins lost this foot to a Model 700 accidental discharge. The jury found that the fire control was defective and awarded a $15 million in exemplary damages. The total verdict was in excess of $17 million. (click on here to review Business Week article entitled “Remington Faces A Misfiring Squad”)

5.The verdicts stopped with the Collins verdict. After that, Remington settled all claims. Instead of recalling or replacing the defective fire control, Remington has quietly paid almost $20 million to settle claims out of court, finally replacing the fire control only in 2007.
Remington’s Redesign Efforts After the $17 million Collins Verdict

1.After Collins, Remington again contemplated a recall and again recognized the need to redesign its fire control. Internal documents detail Remington’s extensive knowledge of the problem. However, until it finally introduced a new fire control in 2007 (a design that eliminates the connector), Remington consistently chose to forego a safer design.
Timeline of Redesign Efforts

1.In 1995, Remington openly acknowledges the need to “fix” the fire control and “eliminate” ‘Fire on Safety Release’ malfunction.”

2.In 1997, when Remington embarked on the design of the Model 710, documents reflect Remington’s desire not to include the M700 “Walker” –based fire control in the M710.

3.Remington designers then developed several connectorless fire controls for the M710. Remington documents clearly show that the new designs were favored (“The new concept barrel and fire control analysis was complete with excellent results.”)

4.However, the designs met their downfall during Remington’s economic analysis. Project spending was put on hold in May 1998 “until economics and project is approved.” That approval never came. In August 1998, the safer designs were abandoned due to an “estimated cost increase.”

5.Remington instead decided to pull the unsafe Model 700 fire control off the shelf and use it in the new Model 710 to “eliminate development cost and time.”

6.As Remington began its internal testing of the new Model 710 (with the old Model 700 fire control installed), Remington, knowing the history of the design, warned its internal testers of the possibility of inadvertent discharge;
For each of the four rounds in the magazine the tester will close the bolt “smartly” –(i.e. as quickly as practical” –and be prepared for the rifle to inadvertently follow down or fire.

No such warning is provided to customers that purchase the Model 700 or 710, nor was such a warning given to the Barber parents, whose son died as the result of the trigger defect. (click on here to review excerpts from – CBS News 2001)

1.In 2000, a Model 710 rifle fired on bolt closure during Remington’s testing. Remington’s own expert witness in litigation admits that Remington “could not nail down” the reason for the discharge without a trigger pull.

2.In preparation for the introduction of the M710 to market, Remington Consumer Team Meeting minutes from 2001 reveal that Remington planned for personal injuries of its customers as a result of inadvertent discharges from Model 710 rifles:
Safety/Injury Calls and the Model 710 – Ken – If a consumer calls with a safety concern, (i.e. FSR, fires when closed, personal injury or property damage, etc), these calls AND firearms go to Dennis or Fred

1.Predictably, Remington began receiving reports of injury and accidental discharge from the Model 710 almost identical to the thousands of complaints it had received from the Model 700 soon after its release.

APPROXIMATELY FOUR MILLION DEFECTIVELY DESIGNED REMINGTON TRIGGERS ARE STILL BEING TRUSTED AND USED BY THE UNSUSPECTING AMERICAN SPORTSMAN.
__________________

Micro-Chipping Of US Citizens To Be Mandatory?

ozarkeagle — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 17:34:15 GMT

http://rense.com/general88/mandi.htm

Ammo

BMW99HD — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 17:30:48 GMT

Do anyone know a good site to buy large amounts of discount ammo?

Savage 10 BAS-K

Colorado Rancher — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 17:30:20 GMT

http://www.savagearms.com/10bask.htm

New tack driver?
Nice looking gun. Anyone shot one?

Remington's (known) DEFECTIVE trigger system: Approx. 4 million rifles effected

Double Ott — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 17:27:46 GMT

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

APPROXIMATELY FOUR MILLION DEFECTIVELY DESIGNED REMINGTON TRIGGERS ARE STILL BEING TRUSTED AND USED BY THE UNSUSPECTING AMERICAN SPORTSMAN.

http://www.drinnonlaw.com/Texas-Defe...mington700.php

Defective Remington 700 Bolt-Action Rifle

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Remington’s Defective Trigger System
A Historical Summary

Extensive Claims and Litigation History

1.Remington has been aware that its bolt-action rifles will sometimes fire absent a trigger pull.

2.To date, Remington has received thousands of customer complaints of unintended discharge for the Model 700 and 710 alone. Over 100 injured individuals have sued Remington over the same defective design. Remington and its insurers have paid to settle most of the claims rather than admit the defect and pay the cost of a recall and refit thereby leaving millions of persons at risk of their lives and those of their family and friends. click on here to review Remington memo January 2, 1979 wherein Remington admits to its own defect and recognizes the danger to its customers)

3.Ignoring thousands of customer complaints, Remington refused to recall its rifles, install a new trigger, or warn its customers of the potential danger. (click on here to review Remington memo dated January 2, 1979 wherein Remington admits to its own defect and recognizes the danger to its customers)

4.Instead, Remington designed the new 710 (introduced in 2001) using the very same defective M700 fire control.

5.Not surprisingly, Remington has already received numerous complaints from its customers of unintended discharge, mirroring the complaint history of the 700.

The Defect

1.Remington’s trigger mechanism uses an internal component called a “connector” – a design component not used by any other rifle manufacturer. The connector floats on top of the trigger body inside of the gun, but is not physically bound to the trigger in any way other than tension from a spring. When the trigger is pulled, the connecter is pushed forward by the trigger, allowing the sear to fall and fire the rifle.

2.The proper position of the connector under the sear is an overlap of only 25/1000ths of an inch, but because the connector is not bound to the trigger, the connector separates from the trigger body when the rifle is fired and creates a gap between the two parts.

3.Any dirt, debris or manufacturing scrap can then become lodged in the space created between the connector and the trigger, preventing the connector from returning to its original position.

4.Remington’s defective fire control could have been redesigned to eliminate the harm or danger very inexpensively. There is no valid engineering reason why the successfully utilized connectorless designs could not have been used by Remington in its Model 700 and 710.

5.In fact, Remington has recently done just that for the Model 700 with a newly designed trigger, the X-Mark Pro. That design, which eliminates the connector, was completed in 2002. However, Remington chose to continue with its prior unsafe design for financial reasons, never warning the public. Even today, Remington installs the new fire control into some but not all of its bolt-action rifles, leaving many users at risk with the old and defective design.

Jury Verdicts and Appellate Court Opinions of Remington’s Defective Fire Control

1.In Lewy v. Remington, 836 F.2d 1104, 1106-07 (8th Cir. 1988); the Eighth Circuit upheld a finding of punitive damages against Remington in 1985.

2.In Campbell v. Remington Arms Co., 1992 WL 54928 (9th Cir. 1992)(unpublished opinion); affirmed a jury verdict of $724,000 based on a fire on bolt closure, finding no error.

3.Later in 1992, the Texas Supreme Court, in Chapa v. Garcia, specifically describes Remington’s fire control as “defective.”

4.In 1994, a Texas jury rendered a verdict in Collins v. Remington after Glenn Collins lost this foot to a Model 700 accidental discharge. The jury found that the fire control was defective and awarded a $15 million in exemplary damages. The total verdict was in excess of $17 million. (click on here to review Business Week article entitled “Remington Faces A Misfiring Squad”)

5.The verdicts stopped with the Collins verdict. After that, Remington settled all claims. Instead of recalling or replacing the defective fire control, Remington has quietly paid almost $20 million to settle claims out of court, finally replacing the fire control only in 2007.
Remington’s Redesign Efforts After the $17 million Collins Verdict

1.After Collins, Remington again contemplated a recall and again recognized the need to redesign its fire control. Internal documents detail Remington’s extensive knowledge of the problem. However, until it finally introduced a new fire control in 2007 (a design that eliminates the connector), Remington consistently chose to forego a safer design.
Timeline of Redesign Efforts

1.In 1995, Remington openly acknowledges the need to “fix” the fire control and “eliminate” ‘Fire on Safety Release’ malfunction.”

2.In 1997, when Remington embarked on the design of the Model 710, documents reflect Remington’s desire not to include the M700 “Walker” –based fire control in the M710.

3.Remington designers then developed several connectorless fire controls for the M710. Remington documents clearly show that the new designs were favored (“The new concept barrel and fire control analysis was complete with excellent results.”)

4.However, the designs met their downfall during Remington’s economic analysis. Project spending was put on hold in May 1998 “until economics and project is approved.” That approval never came. In August 1998, the safer designs were abandoned due to an “estimated cost increase.”

5.Remington instead decided to pull the unsafe Model 700 fire control off the shelf and use it in the new Model 710 to “eliminate development cost and time.”

6.As Remington began its internal testing of the new Model 710 (with the old Model 700 fire control installed), Remington, knowing the history of the design, warned its internal testers of the possibility of inadvertent discharge;
For each of the four rounds in the magazine the tester will close the bolt “smartly” –(i.e. as quickly as practical” –and be prepared for the rifle to inadvertently follow down or fire.

No such warning is provided to customers that purchase the Model 700 or 710, nor was such a warning given to the Barber parents, whose son died as the result of the trigger defect. (click on here to review excerpts from – CBS News 2001)

1.In 2000, a Model 710 rifle fired on bolt closure during Remington’s testing. Remington’s own expert witness in litigation admits that Remington “could not nail down” the reason for the discharge without a trigger pull.

2.In preparation for the introduction of the M710 to market, Remington Consumer Team Meeting minutes from 2001 reveal that Remington planned for personal injuries of its customers as a result of inadvertent discharges from Model 710 rifles:
Safety/Injury Calls and the Model 710 – Ken – If a consumer calls with a safety concern, (i.e. FSR, fires when closed, personal injury or property damage, etc), these calls AND firearms go to Dennis or Fred

1.Predictably, Remington began receiving reports of injury and accidental discharge from the Model 710 almost identical to the thousands of complaints it had received from the Model 700 soon after its release.

APPROXIMATELY FOUR MILLION DEFECTIVELY DESIGNED REMINGTON TRIGGERS ARE STILL BEING TRUSTED AND USED BY THE UNSUSPECTING AMERICAN SPORTSMAN.
__________________

New to the group

BMW99HD — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 17:23:48 GMT

Hello all, I am retired Army and I am now preparing myself, family and a few close friends for the possibility of anything. I am looking for new ideals and people out here in far west Texas.

Global Collapse soon

JUSTSURVIVEBABY — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 17:19:42 GMT

By Ambrose Evans-Pritchard
Published: 6:12PM GMT 18 Nov 2009

Explosion of debt: Japan's public debt could reach as much as 270pc of GDP in the next two years.

In a report entitled "Worst-case debt scenario", the bank's asset team said state rescue packages over the last year have merely transferred private liabilities onto sagging sovereign shoulders, creating a fresh set of problems.
Overall debt is still far too high in almost all rich economies as a share of GDP (350pc in the US), whether public or private. It must be reduced by the hard slog of "deleveraging", for years.

"As yet, nobody can say with any certainty whether we have in fact escaped the prospect of a global economic collapse," said the 68-page report, headed by asset chief Daniel Fermon. It is an exploration of the dangers, not a forecast.
Under the French bank's "Bear Case" scenario (the gloomiest of three possible outcomes), the dollar would slide further and global equities would retest the March lows. Property prices would tumble again. Oil would fall back to $50 in 2010.
Governments have already shot their fiscal bolts. Even without fresh spending, public debt would explode within two years to 105pc of GDP in the UK, 125pc in the US and the eurozone, and 270pc in Japan. Worldwide state debt would reach $45 trillion, up two-and-a-half times in a decade.
(UK figures look low because debt started from a low base. Mr Ferman said the UK would converge with Europe at 130pc of GDP by 2015 under the bear case).
The underlying debt burden is greater than it was after the Second World War, when nominal levels looked similar. Ageing populations will make it harder to erode debt through growth. "High public debt looks entirely unsustainable in the long run. We have almost reached a point of no return for government debt," it said.
Inflating debt away might be seen by some governments as a lesser of evils.
If so, gold would go "up, and up, and up" as the only safe haven from fiat paper money. Private debt is also crippling. Even if the US savings rate stabilises at 7pc, and all of it is used to pay down debt, it will still take nine years for households to reduce debt/income ratios to the safe levels of the 1980s.
The bank said the current crisis displays "compelling similarities" with Japan during its Lost Decade (or two), with a big difference: Japan was able to stay afloat by exporting into a robust global economy and by letting the yen fall. It is not possible for half the world to pursue this strategy at the same time.
SocGen advises bears to sell the dollar and to "short" cyclical equities such as technology, auto, and travel to avoid being caught in the "inherent deflationary spiral". Emerging markets would not be spared. Paradoxically, they are more leveraged to the US growth than Wall Street itself. Farm commodities would hold up well, led by sugar.
Mr Fermon said junk bonds would lose 31pc of their value in 2010 alone. However, sovereign bonds would "generate turbo-charged returns" mimicking the secular slide in yields seen in Japan as the slump ground on. At one point Japan's 10-year yield dropped to 0.40pc. The Fed would hold down yields by purchasing more bonds. The European Central Bank would do less, for political reasons.
SocGen's case for buying sovereign bonds is controversial. A number of funds doubt whether the Japan scenario will be repeated, not least because Tokyo itself may be on the cusp of a debt compound crisis.
Mr Fermon said his report had electrified clients on both sides of the Atlantic. "Everybody wants to know what the impact will be. A lot of hedge funds and bankers are worried," he said.

got searched at airport!!!!

sniperfx — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 17:13:21 GMT

went to pick up brother. went to short-term parking and was pulled over by one of the attendants. she was maybe 23 and weighed about 110. very cute i might add. however, she said that she needed to search my truck. i asked for what? she said hazardous materials. i asked if that was legal, she said yes. i have nothing to hide. so i let her. she looked in the bed, which is open, then she asked to look in the back of the cabin, which i also let her. she looked for 1 second, than said thanks, and that i may proceed.. if that is a search, we are all doomed to hell. they did not look under the bed,cabin,seats,an any boxes, or anything..... anyone with half a brain would hide any materials, not leave them in plain sight..... and really, what would a 110 pound girl do to a determined terrorist. she was not even armed...i found the whole deal to be a complete waste of time and energy. airport security is a frickin joke. any asshat with a grudge could do so much harm with very little effort on their part.....more terrorist garbage ramped up to be nothing.....not very effective security. embarresing, quite frankly....

Bigest survival forum from the East Europe...

prezivljavanje.com — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 16:54:46 GMT

I'd like to introduce the www.prezivljavanje.com forum made from Croatian Survival School www.extremesurvive.com. The reason for creation of this forum lies in the fact that the old knowledges, bushcraft and survival skills by word are uncommon and rare in this parts of Europe, but by fact lots of people are living with the nature in old manner. Best regards - prezivljavanje.com

What you say?! How it all started...

Duncan — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 16:54:23 GMT

YouTube- MD Zero Wing - Intro

All your base belong to us... :D:

:thumb: